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itachi-san314 2012-11-05 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasukemaru (Post 4424381)
If edo madara was just a resurrected madara in his prime i would put hashirama ahead of him, but seeing he has the rinnegan he unlocked later in life as well as hashirama's greatest power the wood release...i think he could beat hashirama now.

I agree. I'm expecting sasuke and orochimaru to unseal all 4 kages who will beat edo-madara in a combination effort. I would put obito above nagato in your list though. he has rinnegan, bijou control, MS and can use izanagi indefinitely during a fight. plus, he's the best escape artist we've seen in the manga. also naruto is now above minato and sarutobi i believe. probably sasuke with EMS too, but we have yet to see.

Randrak42 2012-11-11 16:43

1. Sage of the Six Paths
2. Hashirama
3. Madara
4. Sarutobi
5. Minato
6. Obito
7. Nagato
8. Itachi
9. Jiraya
10. Kabuchimaru

Disregarding those that have yet to reach their prime of course (Naruto, Sasuke and so on). Also disregarding Edo versions of the characters.

However...the fact that Sarutobi was considered the strongest Hokage would mean he was stronger than Hashirama, but the series has progressed and we've seen ridiculous things so for the sake of argument (and because last time I put him up as the strongest people bitched and moaned about it) let's put him behind Madara and Hashirama...

itachi-san314 2012-11-11 18:51

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Originally Posted by Randrak42 (Post 4435294)
1. Sage of the Six Paths
2. Hashirama
3. Madara
4. Sarutobi
5. Minato
6. Obito
7. Nagato
8. Itachi
9. Jiraya
10. Kabuchimaru

Disregarding those that have yet to reach their prime of course (Naruto, Sasuke and so on). Also disregarding Edo versions of the characters.

However...the fact that Sarutobi was considered the strongest Hokage would mean he was stronger than Hashirama, but the series has progressed and we've seen ridiculous things so for the sake of argument (and because last time I put him up as the strongest people bitched and moaned about it) let's put him behind Madara and Hashirama...

I mostly agree with this list given your stipulations. I'd probably put oonoki in #8 spot moving the last 3 down a peg. also, sarutobi is a tricky one since he was retconned to be worse than he was when he was alive. an argument could be made for minato being better than him as well. and i can't really see sarutobi beating obito or nagato. I'd knock him down to 7th place

Randrak42 2012-11-11 19:10

I really get what you mean with Oonoki...I thought about him a lot while making the list but for some reason didn't add him in...

The major problem with Sarutobi is that not only was HE retconed in his fight against Orochimaru but Edo Shoudaime and Niidaime were as well. The Edo Hashirama we saw wasn't nearly as powerful as the real Hashirama from Madara's descriptions. Then again look at what a 70 year old Sarutobi did against 3 still very much S-rank opponents at the same time.

It's the problem with his fight having been in the first part of the series and so early on (considering), the series evolved, characters started looking bigger and meaner with super cool moves making the previous fights look small in comparison. But then again look at Zabuza, he looked much stronger when he returned in his Edo form though he was supposed to be as strong as he was when he died.
I dunno...I still believe that if Sarutobi showed up in his prime now in Shippuden during this war, that he'd be able to kick pretty much anyone's asses aside from Edo Madara...and possibly be his biggest pain in the ass.

Essenar 2012-11-11 19:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randrak42 (Post 4435294)
1. Sage of the Six Paths
2. Hashirama
3. Madara
4. Sarutobi
5. Minato
6. Obito
7. Nagato
8. Itachi
9. Jiraya
10. Kabuchimaru

Disregarding those that have yet to reach their prime of course (Naruto, Sasuke and so on). Also disregarding Edo versions of the characters.

However...the fact that Sarutobi was considered the strongest Hokage would mean he was stronger than Hashirama, but the series has progressed and we've seen ridiculous things so for the sake of argument (and because last time I put him up as the strongest people bitched and moaned about it) let's put him behind Madara and Hashirama...

Regardless of the developments, I would still put Sarutobi ahead of Hashirama. For the following reasons:

1) Even though Sarutobi looked miserable against Orochimaru compared to the current manga's power levels, Enma stated that Sarutobi had seriously declined in his age.

2) He is considered the strongest Hokage ever, even stronger than Hashirama in his prime. They literally called him the God of Shinobi.

3) Edo Tensei resurrects the dead shinobi as they were before their death. Both Tobirama and Hashirama died in their prime ages. So Sarutobi, in his old age, was able to fight Orochimaru and both the First and Second Hokage.

4) Hashirama beat Prime Madara fair and square. No gimmicks, no talk-no-jutsu. He whooped dat butt. Edo Madara =/ Prime Madara. Kabuto said it himself, he modified Edo Madara's body. Madara probably activated Rinnegan when he was old and decrepit in that dungeon cave. Had he activated it when he was younger and healthy, let's say even mid 40's, I doubt he would've just stayed in the cave. Jiraiya was quite a boss in his early 50's, so Madara probably activated it in his 90's or even 100's of age when it was useless to him.

5) The reason why crazy stuff is going on now with the Madara power up is because Madara is 'modified', edo with unlimited chakra and regeneration and the current kage's suck compared to the older generations. This happens when times of peace occur in the real world, fighting forces and combat capabilities decline. It even happened to Hanzo, who didn't train and succumbed to Pein as a result of it.

The proper list:
1) Sage of the Six Paths
2) Hiruzen Sarutobi
3) Hashirama Senju
4) Madara Uchiha
5) Minato Namikaze
6) Obito Uchiha
7) Itachi Uchiha
8) Nagato Uzumaki
9) Orochimaru
10) Jiraiya/Kabuto

Orochimaru, I believe was seriously crippled by the sealing the 3rd placed on him. Ranks 9-10 are difficult, but my top 8 I believe is accurate.

Sasukemaru 2013-03-01 20:59

Im not going to waste my time making another big list or trying to put them in any specific order, instead im going to group them in their own individual classes...also i won't be naming everyone in that particular class and i won't include the sage since he's in a league of his own.

First Class:
1st Hokage
Madara
(Eventually Naruto, Sasuke)

Second Class:
Nagato
Obito
Minato
3rd Hokage

Third Class:
Hanzo
3rd Raikage
Oonoki
Itachi

Fourth Class:
Legendary Sannin
4th Raikage
Sage Kabuto
Killer Bee

Fifth Class:
Kakashi
Sasori
Kisame
Gaara

As of today, I would place Naruto and Sasuke between 3rd and 2nd class...I might even put Naruto in 2nd class. When it's all said and done though, they will both be in First Class.

itachi-san314 2013-03-02 03:45

^that's a pretty good list. you have to be discounting kabuto's ET though or else he would be 1st class. also, hanzo is given too much credit and itachi not enough

Monster0 2013-03-02 10:40

Strongest/Best. To me the strongest are not the best so you need two list.Strongest are ninja that win fights and are hard to kill. The best are the ones that make the least mistakes.Many of the strongest ninja make the most mistakes.Some of the ninja on the above lists have screwed up so bad it's almost impossible to correct their mistakes. I personally don't think any of them are better or worse then the next guy.True power is not about chakra levels,you'll see as the story progresses.

JustRob 2013-03-11 14:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Essenar (Post 4435419)
Regardless of the developments, I would still put Sarutobi ahead of Hashirama. For the following reasons:

1) Even though Sarutobi looked miserable against Orochimaru compared to the current manga's power levels, Enma stated that Sarutobi had seriously declined in his age.

2) He is considered the strongest Hokage ever, even stronger than Hashirama in his prime. They literally called him the God of Shinobi.

3) Edo Tensei resurrects the dead shinobi as they were before their death. Both Tobirama and Hashirama died in their prime ages. So Sarutobi, in his old age, was able to fight Orochimaru and both the First and Second Hokage.

4) Hashirama beat Prime Madara fair and square. No gimmicks, no talk-no-jutsu. He whooped dat butt. Edo Madara =/ Prime Madara. Kabuto said it himself, he modified Edo Madara's body. Madara probably activated Rinnegan when he was old and decrepit in that dungeon cave. Had he activated it when he was younger and healthy, let's say even mid 40's, I doubt he would've just stayed in the cave. Jiraiya was quite a boss in his early 50's, so Madara probably activated it in his 90's or even 100's of age when it was useless to him.

5) The reason why crazy stuff is going on now with the Madara power up is because Madara is 'modified', edo with unlimited chakra and regeneration and the current kage's suck compared to the older generations. This happens when times of peace occur in the real world, fighting forces and combat capabilities decline. It even happened to Hanzo, who didn't train and succumbed to Pein as a result of it.

The proper list:
1) Sage of the Six Paths
2) Hiruzen Sarutobi
3) Hashirama Senju
4) Madara Uchiha
5) Minato Namikaze
6) Obito Uchiha
7) Itachi Uchiha
8) Nagato Uzumaki
9) Orochimaru
10) Jiraiya/Kabuto

Orochimaru, I believe was seriously crippled by the sealing the 3rd placed on him. Ranks 9-10 are difficult, but my top 8 I believe is accurate.

"God of Shinobi" is a title that has been used to describe three shinobi so far: The Sage of the Six Paths, Senju Hashirama, and Sarutobi Hiruzen. So really, I wouldn't put much value in that.

Anyway, in the end, I'd say the strongest Shinobi in his prime is Hashirama. The guy literally created Konoha by himself, and Madara himself acknowledged that he only considers Hashirama to be of an equal level as himself.

DarthDestroiar 2013-03-12 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasukemaru (Post 4574263)
Im not going to waste my time making another big list or trying to put them in any specific order, instead im going to group them in their own individual classes...also i won't be naming everyone in that particular class and i won't include the sage since he's in a league of his own.

First Class:
1st Hokage
Madara
(Eventually Naruto, Sasuke)

Second Class:
Nagato
Obito
Minato
3rd Hokage

Third Class:
Hanzo
3rd Raikage
Oonoki
Itachi

Fourth Class:
Legendary Sannin
4th Raikage
Sage Kabuto
Killer Bee

Fifth Class:
Kakashi
Sasori
Kisame
Gaara

As of today, I would place Naruto and Sasuke between 3rd and 2nd class...I might even put Naruto in 2nd class. When it's all said and done though, they will both be in First Class.

Itachi should be 2nd class... And LOL to the results many years later, the 4th? Not a chance, Madar or the 1st no doubt about that.

Monster0 2013-03-17 08:27

I bet Shino could beat Hashirama or any wood using ninja,termites.


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