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Skye629 2013-06-25 16:11

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor (Post 4736303)
It depends on your degree of distinguishing factor. If you look at it from the general aesthetic, then yes they’re “the same” just like how Epyon EW & Epyon TV are “the same”. Still, if you’re willing to pay attention to some details, they’re different. Here’s some comparison:
http://i.imgur.com/N0OG9uF.jpg

Nice comparison shots

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Originally Posted by LoweGear (Post 4736324)
I'm not talking about simple detail additions, the GAT-X series also had lots of changes in aesthetic: see the MG Aile Strike Remaster, where its Aile Striker is very much changed to be sleeker and more "pointy" in the same manner as the wing binders on this Wing Zero, or how the MG Blitz suddenly has a pauldron that now visibly shares the same frame as the Strike (a change a friend kept bitching to me about :heh: ), or in general how the weapons for them have sharper aesthetics, with the most drastic being the Aegis' beam rifle and the Duel's railgun, which are quite obviously changed from their incredibly simple originals.

Admittedly there are MG's that stick as close to the actual design as possible, most tellingly the MG Wing Gundam, which is what I think people expected when they want an MG Wing Zero. The actual practice of changing around shapes and details for the Master Grade version though isn't especially new, and in this case I think they did well with the redesign.

Um thats exactly what I was talking about, "Modernizing the designs" by changing the proportions and adding more details and modern aesthetics to the overall designs seen in the show...... The new Aile pack BTW is changed because its based on the Perfect Strike design that appeared in the remaster

What Im arguing here is that the Proto Zero is not the same as its just not a simple "modern update" like that GAT kits, its a Katoki redesign heavily based on the original while giving it elements from the WZC to keep it canon within the EW take

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor (Post 4736532)
Not if Bandai basically already make 90% of the expected kit but instead labeling it as another. Unlike MG Justice which Bandai have to build from scratch, in this case, they can easily make more profit by releasing the more popular Wing Zero TV, but noooo. They have to avoid the TV version like the plague for some reason. If this is usual to you, then let’s agree to disagree coz we’re just going in circles like this.

Wait until Bandai announces an Online Exclusive TV Version based on the Proto Zero frame
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Obelisk ze Tormentor 2013-06-25 18:01

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Originally Posted by Skye629 (Post 4736666)
Wait until Bandai announces an Online Exclusive TV Version based on the Proto Zero frame.

Yeah, that would be a dick move from Bandai. Still, it's better than not releasing MG Zero TV at all.

Blazer-X 2013-06-25 18:05

Honestly, I am quite happy about this. Now I can place something next to my MG Epyon Ver Ka that is also a Katoki-fied TV Gundam, rather than WZC, which would look a little out of place.

Part of me actually hopes Katoki creates more "melting pot" designs between his EW versions and the TV version for the second generation (Kai) Gundams.

GN0010 Nosferatu 2013-06-25 19:17

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Originally Posted by LoweGear (Post 4736324)
Based off the naming, which is "Wing Gundam Prototype Zero", I think it's supposed to be the original Wing Zero, aka the basis from which all the Gundams were made in lore. If I'm to make a prediction, I imagine this will be the machine that Quatre would complete and pilot into combat, if GoL will follow that part of the TV series.

I'll take that instead.

Skye629 2013-06-25 19:33

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Originally Posted by Blazer-X (Post 4736741)
Honestly, I am quite happy about this. Now I can place something next to my MG Epyon Ver Ka that is also a Katoki-fied TV Gundam, rather than WZC, which would look a little out of place.

Part of me actually hopes Katoki creates more "melting pot" designs between his EW versions and the TV version for the second generation (Kai) Gundams.

Probably wont happen since the EW Altron and Hell ARE the second gen gundams in the TV series

With Zero it was ok since it was the prototype design that Quatre made from the original blueprints before Heero got it and took some drugs and "inspiration" for his new WZC looks

kakakka 2013-06-25 21:36

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor (Post 4736532)
Not if Bandai basically already make 90% of the expected kit but instead labeling it as another. Unlike MG Justice which Bandai have to build from scratch, in this case, they can easily make more profit by releasing the more popular Wing Zero TV, but noooo. They have to avoid the TV version like the plague for some reason. If this is usual to you, then let’s agree to disagree coz we’re just going in circles like this.

Yeah, you don't get my point too. I'm making a point to the complaints. Bandai has been releasing EW version MGs of Wing for a while, and every time, I read complaints how TV Versions are getting none of it. There's already a trend. Just because we got "90% of the kit and labeling it as another" we are treating it as a big tragedy? It's not big deal.

aeriolewinters 2013-06-25 21:55

The looming question now is: What the hell is the Wing Zero Custom? If every thing in GOTL is a Katoki redesign, then wouldn't it make sense, especially if they're naming this Wing Zero a Prototype.

Rising Dragon 2013-06-25 22:06

IIRC there was one manga where Heero redesigned the Wing Zero into the Wing Zero Custom, but it was set after the anime proper, which doesn't mesh with Endless Waltz' depiction of the final battle.

Obelisk ze Tormentor 2013-06-25 22:16

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Originally Posted by kakakka (Post 4736929)
Yeah, you don't get my point too. I'm making a point to the complaints. Bandai has been releasing EW version MGs of Wing for a while, and every time, I read complaints how TV Versions are getting none of it. There's already a trend. Just because we got "90% of the kit and labeling it as another" we are treating it as a big tragedy? It's not big deal.

IMO this particular case is not usual, therefore the complaints is also not usual. I mean, Katoki already had his Wing Zero TV equivalent which is Wing Zero Custom, so why Bandai must force this Wing Zero TV design into yet another Katoki-fied redesign? Say whatever you want about it, that’s my take on it (along with some of my fellow Wing-fan friends).

firefox 2013-06-26 01:40

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor (Post 4736969)
IMO this particular case is not usual, therefore the complaints is also not usual. I mean, Katoki already had his Wing Zero TV equivalent which is Wing Zero Custom, so why Bandai must force this Wing Zero TV design into yet another Katoki-fied redesign? Say whatever you want about it, that’s my take on it (along with some of my fellow Wing-fan friends).

Is it so hard for bandai to give fans of wing what they really want, a NORMAL TV WingZero???????????

I don't want a katoki redesign!, just make an MG version of the superb looking RD figure, how hard can it be!!!!!!
:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

RX93-2 2013-06-26 02:39

Outside of katoki's obsession with ridiculously long legs I think this redesign looks like a better case for an actual MG.

Skye629 2013-06-26 03:41

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Originally Posted by RX93-2 (Post 4737143)
Outside of katoki's obsession with ridiculously long legs I think this redesign looks like a better case for an actual MG.

They're not THAT long, especially the Proto Zero's going by the lineart. They're slightly longer than human proportions yes.....but who cares, mech's dont have to follow human proportions, and IMO they look better sleeker and taller

Oh MG Geara Doga boxart, Im expecting a Hobby Exclusive Rezin colors sometime in the future after its release :P

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KxQgy6_WqX.../s1600/1c1.jpg

BANDAI NOW U HAVE ZERO EXCUSES FOR NOT RELEASING A MG JEGAN, ESPECIALLY AS ITS FRAME CAN BE USED FOR AT LEAST 4 KITS (CCA Jegan, Jegan Type-D, Stark Jegan, ECOAS Jegan, to name the prominent ones)

Obelisk ze Tormentor 2013-06-26 04:21

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Originally Posted by Skye629 (Post 4737176)
Im expecting a Hobby Exclusive Rezin colors sometime in the future after its release :P

Let's go one step further/crazier by wishing for MG Geara Doga Full Frontal Custom :D.

LoweGear 2013-06-26 04:43

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Originally Posted by Skye629 (Post 4736666)
The new Aile pack BTW is changed because its based on the Perfect Strike design that appeared in the remaster

Considering that we have the HG Perfect Strike which didn't need to redesign the Aile Striker to the extent of the MG Strike Remaster (the HG only added the battery packs and mountings for the cannon and anti-ship sword), I don't think they changed the MG design simply for the Perfect Strike.

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Originally Posted by aeriolewinters (Post 4736952)
The looming question now is: What the hell is the Wing Zero Custom? If every thing in GOTL is a Katoki redesign, then wouldn't it make sense, especially if they're naming this Wing Zero a Prototype.

This isn't very difficult. Depending on how the manga plays out, the Wing Zero Custom will either be a direct upgrade of the Wing Prototype Zero (WPZ), or an upgrade of the Wing Gundam EW with WPZ's systems

Akyra 2013-06-26 05:11

Thanks Obelisk.

Does look different if you put them side by side. TBH, I am just happy that they finally release the Zero.

Here's hoping for Deathscythe Hell...(or any other Deathscythes for that matter!)

LoweGear 2013-06-26 06:00

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Originally Posted by Akyra (Post 4737228)

Here's hoping for Deathscythe Hell...(or any other Deathscythes for that matter!)

We do already have the MG Deathscythe Hell Custom and the MG Deathscythe EW. Though having the original TV versions wouldn't hurt, especially with the twin-scythed Deathscythe Hell :D

Obelisk ze Tormentor 2013-06-26 06:26

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Originally Posted by LoweGear (Post 4737250)
Though having the original TV versions wouldn't hurt, especially with the twin-scythed Deathscythe Hell :D

Next thing you know, Bandai will make it so that D-Hell TV will be the in-between incarnation after Deathscythe EW but before D-Hell EW. And they will “Katoki-fied” it too like Proto Zero. When that happens, I’m gonna face-palm real hard :bash:.

Akyra 2013-06-26 06:44

lol...I wouldn't be surprised.

Tallgeese 3 would be nice too though i wouldn't mind the Vayeate or the Mercurius either.

firefox 2013-06-26 06:49

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor (Post 4737270)
Next thing you know, Bandai will make it so that D-Hell TV will be the in-between incarnation after Deathscythe EW but before D-Hell EW. And they will “Katoki-fied” it too like Proto Zero. When that happens, I’m gonna face-palm real hard :bash:.

if you want TV versions you are forced to buy Robot Damashii's it seems except for wing gundam.

Obelisk ze Tormentor 2013-06-26 07:04

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Originally Posted by firefox (Post 4737284)
if you want TV versions you are forced to buy Robot Damashii's it seems except for wing gundam.

Yeah, I'm still considering buying the RDs. Though that will be my last resort after I wait maybe five years from now observing Bandai's approach toward this Wing TV MGs issue during that period of time.

firefox 2013-06-26 08:40

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor (Post 4737298)
Yeah, I'm still considering buying the RDs. Though that will be my last resort after I wait maybe five years from now observing Bandai's approach toward this Wing TV MGs issue during that period of time.

I have most allready, only deathscyth is missing. They are really good if you can get buy the quite steep price. They do need stands doh as most are more in the air then on the ground.

Skye629 2013-06-26 12:33

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Originally Posted by LoweGear (Post 4737212)
Considering that we have the HG Perfect Strike which didn't need to redesign the Aile Striker to the extent of the MG Strike Remaster (the HG only added the battery packs and mountings for the cannon and anti-ship sword), I don't think they changed the MG design simply for the Perfect Strike.

Of course they would go through extra lengths for the MG to match the lineart......

The HG if you did not notice was a POS cash grab, where as you said the only thing they did was throw in the Remaster HG decals, battery packs, and new mounts as those were the only features missing, while the rest was just the old hg kits slapped together. They only did what was essential, minimizing the costs for a "new" kit. Why remold the HG wings when they could just lazily keep whats already there and save them cash (while making cash for their laziness)?

Obelisk ze Tormentor 2013-06-26 13:05

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Originally Posted by LoweGear (Post 4737212)
Considering that we have the HG Perfect Strike which didn't need to redesign the Aile Striker to the extent of the MG Strike Remaster (the HG only added the battery packs and mountings for the cannon and anti-ship sword), I don't think they changed the MG design simply for the Perfect Strike.

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Originally Posted by Skye629 (Post 4737577)
The HG if you did not notice was a POS cash grab, where as you said the only thing they did was throw in the Remaster HG decals, battery packs, and new mounts as those were the only features missing, while the rest was just the old hg kits slapped together. They only did what was essential, minimizing the costs for a "new" kit. Why remold the HG wings when they could just lazily keep whats already there and save them cash (while making cash for their laziness)?

Umm...they did remold/redesign/whatever-you-call-it the HG Perfect Strike's wings though. At least for the upper part of the wings. But of course the degree of the redesign isn't as extreme as the MG coz they're from two different scales. For HG Perfect Strike, Bandai made the wings a lot longer and go further back compared to HG Aile:

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Zeydra 2013-06-27 07:13

I love the redesign of wing zero myself. I've always liked the design but I have also always felt left as is it felt a little too much like a toy. The redesign has kept everything I love about wing zero but streamlined it as well, so I'm very happy to see this and will definitely pick it up at some point. I'll just pretend sometime for me doesn't often mean in a few years.

FalsePrime 2013-06-27 15:33

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Originally Posted by Zeydra (Post 4738454)
I love the redesign of wing zero myself. I've always liked the design but I have also always felt left as is it felt a little too much like a toy. The redesign has kept everything I love about wing zero but streamlined it as well, so I'm very happy to see this and will definitely pick it up at some point. I'll just pretend sometime for me doesn't often mean in a few years.

This is how I feel, but I would go so far as to say I've always found Wing Zero to be meh at best. This is the first time where I would say that Wing Gundam Zero TV actually is on the level of Wing Ver Ka, Wing TV, or Zero EW.

Katoki made Epyon 10x better, and has done the same thing for Wing Zero TV in my mind.

Butagami 2013-06-27 17:47

Well, it has some nice features, but I am still somewhat pissed off they couldn't just give us a normal Wing Zero TV master grade. People have been waiting for one for years, and this just seems like teasing the fans...

FalsePrime 2013-06-27 22:19

Honestly I don't really see it as that. The simple fact is, when we look at the broad picture Wing Gundam Zero EW is the thing best known and most loved from Wing. Even in polls and stuff we always see if anything from Wing places it is ALWAYS Wing Zero EW. If anything this could be a way of Bandai trying to bridge the gap between all the love of Wing Zero EW and get them to give Zero TV more love.

firefox 2013-06-28 01:09

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Originally Posted by FalsePrime (Post 4739504)
Honestly I don't really see it as that. The simple fact is, when we look at the broad picture Wing Gundam Zero EW is the thing best known and most loved from Wing. Even in polls and stuff we always see if anything from Wing places it is ALWAYS Wing Zero EW. If anything this could be a way of Bandai trying to bridge the gap between all the love of Wing Zero EW and get them to give Zero TV more love.

Maybe in japan, i don't like feather gundam and i certainly don't want what i like to look like what i don't like.

So no more wing Mg's for me. I didn't like teh tallgeese EW colors either, i was really dissapointed when i saw that kit in final colors. probably will sell mine and stick with the MG tallgeese II.

Obelisk ze Tormentor 2013-06-28 01:21

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Originally Posted by FalsePrime (Post 4739009)
Katoki made Epyon 10x better, and has done the same thing for Wing Zero TV in my mind.

I would have to disagree with the "Katoki made Epyon 10x better" comment. If anything, Epyon TV looks more edgy than Katoki's design. Both designs are good but Epyon TV looks more badass imo. If the RD can do it perfectly, imagine if they made it into MG. I'd choose the TV version over EW in a heartbeat.

http://www.entertainmentearth.com/im.../BA78190lg.jpghttp://www.japanshop.it/files/1-100-...n-ew-ver.2.jpg

aeriolewinters 2013-06-28 03:33

http://i.imgur.com/0Ay6F4m.png
Lazy bandai is Lazy.

LoweGear 2013-06-28 03:47

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor (Post 4739744)
I would have to disagree with the "Katoki made Epyon 10x better" comment. If anything, Epyon TV looks more edgy than Katoki's design. Both designs are good but Epyon TV looks more badass imo. If the RD can do it perfectly, imagine if they made it into MG. I'd choose the TV version over EW in a heartbeat.

http://www.entertainmentearth.com/im.../BA78190lg.jpghttp://www.japanshop.it/files/1-100-...n-ew-ver.2.jpg

You know, it's rather not fair to use such an unflattering pic of the MG to compare it to the obviously well-posed RD version.

http://www.saint-ism.com/wp-content/...by_japan_1.jpg

See? With nearly similar angling and pose, the MG Epyon doesn't look derpy. :heh:

Also, was Bandai doing an RG Strike Freedom really a surprise? :heh:

Butagami 2013-06-28 04:55

RG strike freedom? Those wings will be pretty delicate...

Obelisk ze Tormentor 2013-06-28 07:11

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Originally Posted by LoweGear (Post 4739875)
You know, it's rather not fair to use such an unflattering pic of the MG to compare it to the obviously well-posed RD version.

I just took two small official images of each one of them (the fastest I can get from Google), that’s all. Also, well-posing doesn’t really negate my point. You can pose RD Epyon TV in action however you want it will still looks good. Epyon EW still has its ugly claws (compared to TV). Epyon TV’s shoulders, chest and torso still look better than EW too imo. EW's torso makes it look a bit fat. Also, my post above is to stress my point that Epyon EW is not 10x better than Epyon TV (as you can see above) like FalsePrime said since, like you said, the differences are only few.


Oh, and yay for RG SF! :D I’ll be waiting for the Deactive version :cool:.

bio9205 2013-06-28 07:41

I think RG SF was pretty inevitable given Destiny's release, but it's nice seeing confirmation. All I know is, we're one step closer to RG Infinite Justice :D So pumped!

EDIT: It just hit me - how are they going to do SF's inner frame? Do polycaps come in gold?

Obelisk ze Tormentor 2013-06-28 08:09

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Originally Posted by bio9205 (Post 4740073)
EDIT: It just hit me - how are they going to do SF's inner frame? Do polycaps come in gold?

It will probably be the same treatment like they did the MG. Using cheap gold color optimally wherever necessary (polycaps too). The funny thing is, many people hate the “crappy” gold of the regular MG SF, but I like it coz it looks more yellow (just like in the anime) than the the chrome-gold of the FBM (which in many occasions just looks shiny with almost no trace of yellowish-gold). I have them both, so I can tell.

Zeydra 2013-06-28 08:35

I wonder what the makeover the strike freedom will get will look like. I'm looking forward to seeing what they do to the design with this, i originally was put off of the destiny because of the lack of its wings but the streamlining they did of its design won me over on its own merits, so i can't wait to see what a suit i already love the look of is going to look like. :)

Appel 2013-06-28 09:36

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BqInmqTVWX...47/1gg1aaa.jpg
It's the same promotional art that they used for the Perfect Grade Strike Freedom.
Until they actually confirm this I'm gonna be skeptical.

bio9205 2013-06-28 09:51

Going by the pattern Bandai's been releasing RGs, a RG SF isn't that far-fetched after all. The lineup for the next year or so is probably going to be SF > GP02A > IJ > GP03S. (At least, I hope! :D)

FalsePrime 2013-06-28 10:51

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Originally Posted by firefox (Post 4739728)
Maybe in japan, i don't like feather gundam and i certainly don't want what i like to look like what i don't like.

So no more wing Mg's for me. I didn't like teh tallgeese EW colors either, i was really dissapointed when i saw that kit in final colors. probably will sell mine and stick with the MG tallgeese II.

It's not just Japan. Wing Gundam Zero EW is still easily the most popular Wing even in the west.

I'm not saying you should like it, your opinion is your own, but as far as mind share goes Wing Zero EW is what has control as far as Wing goes, so if it needs taking some of the EW influence to get TV stuff then so be it.

Skye629 2013-06-28 14:04

Im gonna remain skeptical about the RG SF for now, while it makes sense in terms or release, Im not gonna celebrate just yet until all the sources are verified/Bandai makes an official statement through the Hobby Mags


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