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Catgirls 2005-12-17 15:09

[Mai Otome] Episode 11 Discussion/Poll
 
Welcome to this week's Episode discussion thread.

I'll post a new Episode discussion thread every Tuesday (a few days before the show actually airs). Please do not vote in the poll until you have watched the episode. If pre-voting gets out of hand, then I'll open the Episode threads on Thursday or Friday instead.

Thread Guidelines
  • No telling or asking for RAWs.
  • NO Manga spoilers in the Episode thread. Please alert a Moderator if you see Manga spoilers. Use the http://forums.animesuki.com/images/buttons/report.gif button you see below each users name.

  • Keep it on-topic and discuss the episode at hand.
  • Discuss your expectations of the episode if not aired.
  • Be polite to your fellow forum members. Rudeness will lead to impotency.

Be aware that due to the very nature of these threads, current episode content will be discussed without the use of Spoiler tags. Also, since these threads go up early, unrestrained speculation about the upcoming episode will be knee-deep. If you haven't seen the Episode, I would advise you not to click into the thread prior to the Fan-sub release, or don't complain if you're spoiled.

Please remember that only moderators can start the episode discussion threads every week.

Poll

The poll is fairly self explanatory:

(*) = Poor, (**) = Below Average, (***) = Average, (****) = Above Average, (*****) = Excellent!

Timeless Enigma 2005-12-18 14:43

This has to be one of the better episodes for me because Nina is finally the focus of the episode.

Irina's imitation of Nina was priceless, that really cracked me up.

It seems to me that Nina may have a faint idea about who's behind Arika's funding, or maybe I'm misunderstand some of the dialogue near the end of the episode.

Lith Maethor 2005-12-18 14:52

hehehehe
 
imitation was priceless indeed... literally fell off my chair when i watched it

as for Nina knowing/suspecting... i have to agree...

on another note... we finally see Akira and Takumi (if that is what they call themselves still)

Radiosity 2005-12-18 14:55

Yay, first post... again. Bloody crackers should be hanged, drawn and quartered (google it if you really want to know the specifics ;) ). Cough, anyway...

Loved this episode. Arika most definitely stays at #1 for my favourite coral as well as favourite character. Despite Nina generally being unpleasant to Arika (her usual self in other words, and not meaning to diss Nina - I do like her too :) ), Arika came through 100% as a friend in helping her look for the watch and pendant. And when Sergey says at the end that it's because 'September 7th is when I first met you', seeing Nina realise that she was mistaken as her eyes fill with tears was a really nice touch.

Some good Mashiro action too of course. Can't get enough of the crazy queen. Oh, and we get to hear Nina's super sexy little yelp again! :D

Good ep all round, thumbs up. A nice change of pace from the recent action too.

Preston 2005-12-18 15:19

Ok, first post and perhaps an opputunity for a new look. Hmm.. I'll see how this looks. ****ing bastards.. who hacks a forum like this? Damn. I'm in a kind of semi-rage about that right now, so I'll keep this post breif until I can collect what I wanted to say before reading about the forum going back to January.

Ok, I really liked this episode, yes, Nina getting some major screen time (for her) made it a real winner straight away, and how everything worked out for her is a nice ending. We get to know a little more about Nagi's plans, but just confirming what was pretty obvious anyway. Hmm.. don't know what to think of the preview for next episode. Akira and Takumi back is a good thing, I guess, but I wasn't such a major fan of either of them last time round. Just a question of waiting and seeing..

EDIT: And what's with the rule of only moderators being able to start these threads? I don't really have any feelings on it, but where did it come from? Man, don't turn this into another Egosoft forum mess up. Though I'm probably being paranoid. :)

cry 2005-12-18 15:22

this episode was really interesting. I wanna know why akira has to hide her gender again (maybe in her kingdom only boys can gouvern o_0??) is takumi still very close to her?
Is mai now an official otome from akira's country? (if so, where is she?)
the preview shows that arika will probably have to play mashiro's role until they found her, it will be fun :)

But i want more action and storyline! things go more slowly in mai otome...

Matrim 2005-12-18 15:24

I didn't like this episode, it was rather boring, IMO. We laready knew about Nina's issues with Sergey and that Mashiro is as childish as you can get. In short - too much Arika and Mashiro, too little of the MH characters (not counting Mashiro, of course :)) and nothing was done about the Aswald threat. And Arika jumped thirty places in the Otome rankings, I guess in the next episode she will be number one... The only interesting question after this episode is whether Akira is male or female, if it's the latter he seems to hide his identity quite well since he is thought to be a prince. But in the preview he is shown with that band of cloth around his chest so maybe he is actually a "she".

Preston 2005-12-18 15:33

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Originally Posted by Matrim
And Arika jumped thirty places in the Otome rankings, I guess in the next episode she will be number one...

That immense jump in rank was due to her commendable effot in the hike. Another jump of similar size won't be happening for awhile I don't think. I can't imagine ranks change that much during 'normal' school term. We'll have to wait until the next test or equivalent.

Winchester 2005-12-18 15:35

Not much to say about this ep, except I felt cheated out of my pre-ep discussion by the blasted hackers. I move we flay and salt them should they be caught...

It's becoming ever more likely that it is indeed Arika who's really the princess - Nagi is pretty dead certain Mashiro isn't the real one, and there's just too much coincidence in birthdays. Also, Nina knowing about Sergei being Arika's anonymous benefactor is pretty much a given - I think she figured it out back in episode six or something. Like most big secrets, it isn't.

Spoiler:


Hey, what's the correct syntax for the spoiler tag anyway? Didn't there use to be a button for inserting them?

SP

Vallen Chaos Valiant 2005-12-18 15:37

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Originally Posted by Matrim
I didn't like this episode, it was rather boring, IMO. We laready knew about Nina's issues with Sergey and that Mashiro is as childish as you can get. In short - too much Arika and Mashiro, too little of the MH characters (not counting Mashiro, of course :)) and nothing was done about the Aswald threat. And Arika jumped thirty places in the Otome rankings, I guess in the next episode she will be number one... The only interesting question after this episode is whether Akira is male or female, if it's the latter he seems to hide his identity quite well since he is thought to be a prince. But in the preview he is shown with that band of cloth around his chest so maybe he is actually a "she".

Don't forget the option that Akira is "filling in" for Takumi as the Prince... This has been speculated around the place.

Why? Because the preview suggests that Arika might be filling in for Mashiro too!

So we would have a fake prince dancing with a fake (?) princess, and both sides hope the other won't find out...

And of course, we would get real prince Takumi ended up on a date of a sorts with real (?) princess Mashiro, out on the streets eating icecream. It would work, in a wacked out way...:D

Matrim 2005-12-18 15:37

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That immense jump in rank was due to her commendable effot in the hike. Another jump of similar size won't be happening for awhile I don't think. I can't imagine ranks change that much during 'normal' school term. We'll have to wait until the next test or equivalent.
I know, I was being sarcastic. :)

EfrainMan 2005-12-18 15:40

Cute episode, I enjoyed it. And Arika still takes advantage of Nina's weakness :naughty:


Plus, chibi-Nina is uber cute. I almost can't stand it...almost ;)

Winchester 2005-12-18 15:41

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Originally Posted by Preston

EDIT: And what's with the rule of only moderators being able to start these threads? I don't really have any feelings on it, but where did it come from? Man, don't turn this into another Egosoft forum mess up. Though I'm probably being paranoid. :)

It's probably due to last week, when someone started the thread waayy early and the first ten pages had no content relevant to the episode. If a mod starts them, then we won't have as many complaints about early starts as we had then...

SP

Vallen Chaos Valiant 2005-12-18 15:42

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Originally Posted by Winchester
It's probably due to last week, when someone started the thread waayy early and the first ten pages had no content relevant to the episode. If a mod starts them, then we won't have as many complaints about early starts as we had then...

SP

Anyone can start these threads, so why not a Mod? It's not like it ever really mattered...

cry 2005-12-18 15:44

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant
Don't forget the option that Akira is "filling in" for Takumi as the Prince... This has been speculated around the place.

i didn't think about it! yes, it could be the reason...

Preston 2005-12-18 15:44

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Originally Posted by Matrim
I know, I was being sarcastic. :)

I know, I was being provocative. :D :p

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant
Anyone can start these threads, so why not a Mod? It's not like it ever really mattered...

Mm, point. I guess so, it's just it being enforced that I don't like. But I said 'new look'.. I must do my best to keep on topic! I'll have a long, relevant and hopefully intelligent post to make tomorrow, right now I have an avatar and signature image to make.

Xellos-_^ 2005-12-18 16:05

I just love the opening part when they show Arika in mad-neko mode running through the survival test :p

Allover a very good setup episode. While i enojy the setup episode I really hope they start the real story soon.

Befgrek 2005-12-18 16:21

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant
Don't forget the option that Akira is "filling in" for Takumi as the Prince... This has been speculated around the place.

Why? Because the preview suggests that Arika might be filling in for Mashiro too!

So we would have a fake prince dancing with a fake (?) princess, and both sides hope the other won't find out...

And of course, we would get real prince Takumi ended up on a date of a sorts with real (?) princess Mashiro, out on the streets eating icecream. It would work, in a wacked out way...:D

This exactly what I thought after watching the preview as well...

So, they're trying to get Mashiro to marry Akira/Takumi? Nah, that won't happen. They can't seperate Akira and Takumi, can they? Besides, Mashiro already has gotten one wedding proposal from Nagi! Damn, being a queen must be tough.

Well, it was a good/average episode. Mostly due to the comedy. Irina's Nina-imitation, Mashiro's Superman-imitation... (changing in a telephone both... though her super powers only seem to go as far as to wearing those extemely large sunglasses without being ashamed.) and Mikoto's Superman-imitation. (Sorry Mikoto, cats can't fly.)

Questions for the next episode are: Will Mai finally appear? What happened to Miyu? What will happen on Takumi and Mashiros date? And most importantly: Where the hell did all the lesbian undertones go?

Sakuya 2005-12-18 16:31

I'm surprised they're going to keep Akira exactly the way she was. Or at least it seems like she's the same. She even has the same bandages around her chest. If she's a girl, then there's a new possibility to who the shadowy Otome in the OP is! :)

ThePuff 2005-12-18 16:44

I'm still completely lost and confused about the connection between Mai-HiME and Mai-Otome. Also, maybe I'm the last person on earth to notice this, but was Arika running around in the background at the end of ep. 26 of Mai-HiME?

Sakuya 2005-12-18 16:48

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Originally Posted by ThePuff
I'm still completely lost and confused about the connection between Mai-HiME and Mai-Otome. Also, maybe I'm the last person on earth to notice this, but was Arika running around in the background at the end of ep. 26 of Mai-HiME?

Yes, it has been mentioned quite a bit. :) I don't think there is any real connection between My-HiME and My Otome as of yet. We just have to wait and see. But we do know that many My-HiME characters have been brought over with some slight changes to play in My Otome. Sort of like how actors and actresses move on to play in other films. :)

Preston 2005-12-18 16:52

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Originally Posted by ThePuff
I'm still completely lost and confused about the connection between Mai-HiME and Mai-Otome. Also, maybe I'm the last person on earth to notice this, but was Arika running around in the background at the end of ep. 26 of Mai-HiME?

You just amazed me. Though, since this forum went back in time to January, I guess it can't be helped. Yes, Akira is in episode 26 and yes, everyone has already seen it and discussed in to exhaustion. For the match between Mai Otome and Mai HiME, there is little, they are alternate universes and basically unrelated, there are a few returning characters, but they may have had name changes of personality changes.

Radiosity 2005-12-18 17:00

Bah, into a second page I didn't notice... Need new eyes.

ChainLegacy 2005-12-18 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant
Don't forget the option that Akira is "filling in" for Takumi as the Prince... This has been speculated around the place.

Why? Because the preview suggests that Arika might be filling in for Mashiro too!

So we would have a fake prince dancing with a fake (?) princess, and both sides hope the other won't find out...

And of course, we would get real prince Takumi ended up on a date of a sorts with real (?) princess Mashiro, out on the streets eating icecream. It would work, in a wacked out way...:D

How did you figure this out? It seems so plausible that it must be what will happen next episode!

Akuma-sama 2005-12-18 17:47

Damn hacker. *kicks*

The first half of the episode wasn't all that interesting (Irina excluded), I found, but the second half more than compensated.
Oh, and count me in the "Takumi is the prince and Akira is filling for him" group; I like that theory too much.

I'd write my hit-by-hit review, but I can't seem to be able to write right now :heh:
Or maybe the shock of the episode has passed over... oh well.

The prologue was hilarious, though; "It's so big and white... Can I lick it?" "ah--" "What the hell are you two doing?!"
LOL. Doesn't beat "I'm Durhan... lick lick lick", but it's pretty good ;)

Only thing... "When we find [the real princess], we can take control of this world"... :twitch: wtf?
And wouldn't it be funny if it turned out to be Nina after all... XD

Matrim 2005-12-18 18:00

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Only thing... "When we find [the real princess], we can take control of this world"... wtf?
It's obvious - the creators of the show want to assure the fans that the whole "who is the princess storyline" is really important and not only included in order to give the fans the opportunity to write theories about it. :)

I'd love to be Nina but I think an even better option would be Mashiro - everyone doubts it and in the end she turns out to be the real princess. Of course, one could ask why the hell in a country that's the leader in technology they obviously haven't heard of DNA tests but let's just leave it at that.;)

Mich666 2005-12-18 18:17

The things that will happen in next episode are pretty clear from ending preview:

Spoiler:

Radiosity 2005-12-18 18:18

Maybe they do know of DNA tests, but simply don't have the original royal family's DNA to test against. All sorts of things can be lost during war, thanks to random destruction caused by shots flying wide or whatever (probably even more so when a super-powerful being like an Otome fights another super-powerful being).

Juju 2005-12-18 18:27

<whines and kicks her connection> I'm missing the last two eps...seems like I'm missin' a lot?

Vallen Chaos Valiant 2005-12-18 18:30

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Originally Posted by Matrim
It's obvious - the creators of the show want to assure the fans that the whole "who is the princess storyline" is really important and not only included in order to give the fans the opportunity to write theories about it. :)

I'd love to be Nina but I think an even better option would be Mashiro - everyone doubts it and in the end she turns out to be the real princess. Of course, one could ask why the hell in a country that's the leader in technology they obviously haven't heard of DNA tests but let's just leave it at that.;)

Don't forget, they lost the ability to produce aircrafts.

The "superscience" exists in this universe only in pieces, with major, but simple, pieces missing.

If they can't even make planes, what makes you think they can have DNA testing?

Matrim 2005-12-18 18:33

Nothing in particular, it's just a bit too convenient not to be able to do a DNA test and end the cotroversy about the the princess.

Mysticmidnightmaiden 2005-12-18 18:36

Wow! It's good to be back, though I wish to go "Shin"zuru on the nutjobs the hacked the 'Suki forums. But enough on threats and immaturity:

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Originally Posted by Mich666
The things that will happen in next episode are pretty clear from ending preview:

Spoiler:

I'd most definately have to agree with you here. I'm absolutely pumped to see Akira-kun again (and especially thrilled to see her cross-dressing again!). But remember, this IS a show by Sunrise, known to show unreliable episode previews (think Mai-HiME death scenes). Knowing them, they may kill off Erostin-chan or Akane may loose her powers.

Oh, wait. THAT'S Ep. 13, my bad.

(Still praying that her predictions won't come true)

EnseiSong 2005-12-18 18:43

Aww man... I have to re-register today....

A good ep for Nina.... I hoped to see more of her past when I saw the preview, yet in the end it didn't happen.

Although I thought is kinda random Sergay just happen to be there where the bird droped the watch thing, lol. I know he had help... but is a bird!! It fly everywhere, how did he know which one it suppose to be?!

Diodati 2005-12-18 18:52

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Akuma-sama
Mai got Hacked too O_o
:heh:

I though it was an ok episode, it was funny, but it had less 'memorable' moments than some of the episodes before. But I'm soooo happy Akira is back, and not ''really'' male.

I like the idea of Takumi and Mashiro both sneaking off from their duties but fate has them spend the day together anyway. The preview of them together looks cute....but...if you were sneaking around away from your duties would you wear clothes that had the national symbol on them? That's about as covert as wearing flashing lights. And also, if they go down the route of Takumi and Mashiro, where does this place my darling Akira. Bah, I'm not too bothered really, the relationship worked in HiME as Takumi was half dead all the time.

And yeah I'm going to put it, so curse me, Shizuru's line about always being by Natsuki's side made me very mushy, almost to the point where I'm petrified she couldn't be more doomed. And what, no blush from Natsuki? 'cos she probably already knows you will Shizuru.

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Originally Posted by Matrim
Nothing in particular, it's just a bit too convenient not to be able to do a DNA test and end the cotroversy about the the princess.

Well it is, but it's probably less convenient than Takumi just happening to walk by as Mashiro is knocked unconscious by Mikoto (let alone that they may be Prince/Princess), that Nina's pendant just happened to fall into a passing boat, and then just happened to get stolen by a crow which subsequently, out of all the places in the entire city, landed right at Serg's feet. He didn't even need to walk more than two steps.

But such is the world of Otome I guess.

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Originally Posted by mystic
Oh, wait. THAT'S Ep. 13, my bad.

(Still praying that her predictions won't come true)

Heh, deep down do we all sense something very bad for unlucky 13...

Catgirls 2005-12-18 18:59

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Originally Posted by Preston
EDIT: And what's with the rule of only moderators being able to start these threads? I don't really have any feelings on it, but where did it come from? Man, don't turn this into another Egosoft forum mess up. Though I'm probably being paranoid. :)

It's not that big of a deal. Focus on the show and worry less about who starts the thread. I'll be starting the Episode threads for now on to keep continuity. What's important is chatting about the episode/show and getting the forums back in shape.

Let's not make it an issue out of it. Frisky lesbians in short school uniforms kicking ass is way more important right now.

Cheers. :)

Juju 2005-12-18 19:06

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Originally Posted by Catgirls
Frisky lesbians in short school uniforms kicking ass...

:p I absolutely concur ;)

Now, being a new fan to this series - just a question for you die-hards. Why is there rumor-mongering about Shizuru's seeming demise in later episodes? What would validate that...?

Matrim 2005-12-18 19:17

Quote:

And yeah I'm going to put it, so curse me, Shizuru's line about always being by Natsuki's side made me very mushy, almost to the point where I'm petrified she couldn't be more doomed.
I really hope you are right. After all, some of the characters will probably die in the series and if I had to choose I'd choose Shizuru right after Arika.
*runs for his life pursued by a crowd of Shizuru fans*

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Well it is, but it's probably less convenient than Takumi just happening to walk by as Mashiro is knocked unconscious by Mikoto (let alone that they may be Prince/Princess), that Nina's pendant just happened to fall into a passing boat, and then just happened to get stolen by a crow which subsequently, out of all the places in the entire city, landed right at Serg's feet. He didn't even need to walk more than two steps.
Well, I didn't say these events were any less convenient, did I?:) But they are not that important for the plot as the identity of the princess.

Mich666 2005-12-18 19:25

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Originally Posted by Diodati
Heh, deep down do we all sense something very bad for unlucky 13...

hey, there will be new OP and/or ED in ep13, ....or it will be ep14? :heh:

and the name of ep13 is Towards the Red Sky ;-)

frodo1701 2005-12-18 19:29

Even with all the loss, I'm glad we're up and running again. SERIOUS withdrawl:eyespin: I echo all the various opinions on the hacker's punishment if caught.

Now to more important matters.

Sergey knew Arika's birthday without her telling. She didn't even realize it had come until she reads the note. Did Rena actually have a daughter on that day? Or, does he believe she is the real princess.Both? I also find it interesting that someone told Arika that Sept. 7 was her birthday.(her grandma?)After all, she never personally knew her parents.

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Originally Posted by Mich666
The things that will happen in next episode are pretty clear from ending preview:

Spoiler:

Spoiler for preview:

duster_Fukku 2005-12-18 19:31

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Originally Posted by Mich666
hey, there will be new OP and/or ED in ep13, ....or it will be ep14? :heh:

and the name of ep13 is Towards the Red Sky ;-)

Really? The Gundam Seed style?!:O
God, hope it will be awsome!! Where did you get the news?


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