Current Events in Iran
Is anybody else here following the aftermath of the election in Iran?
It reminds me a lot of those heady days in the late 80's when all the challenges to the various Communist governments was occurring. I hope it turns out like it did in Germany and Russia, but I can't help but fear it will be another Tienanmen Square outcome. People forget, but that started off quite hopeful too. |
A bunch of people are trying to follow it .... but with very little help from the US media :P
Nothing happens on the weekend according to commercial tv news... its all a recap of the previous week. Meanwhile, I'm having to get most of my data from world news sources.... Much will depend on how forceful the moderate clerics are in asserting that the election was not handled properly. Otherwise, the 'ruling fat cats' will come down hard on the middle class and urbanites (with sour long term consequences for the country). They're already arresting almost anyone who could coordinate anything. Interestingly, I saw some photos of protesters *rescuing* a riot policeman who'd gotten hurt -- seems like they know exactly who to be mad at and who they realize is just part of the chess game. |
BBC is doing equally piss poor job at covering. There is this another TV station that I've got which is doing pretty decent job, but unfortunately I can't remember the name of the channel. I'll get back to this thread.
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I still think the election was a sham especially when it was reveal the opposition leader's hometown voted for the President and to add more fuel to the fire, the President dismiss the allegation of vote rigging like it was nothing only added more fuel to the fire.
Things are going to be bad for Iran unless they do a recount or another election. |
The Guardians probably have something to do with this. Maybe it is due to Hossieni being seen as pro-western rather than moderate in their narrow point of view. If they had twice as much brain cells as their strands of beard, they would be able to see past that US is not as isolationist and paranoid as it was in the past.
P.S Forgive me if my future posts sound slightly "racist and anti-religion" in nature, but my stance towards the politics of Iran are pretty middle-fingerish. |
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I think it looks like the Republican Guard is backing Ahmadinejad, so it depends on two things. Will the "moderate" clerics oppose him, and will the regular army back the clerics up. Either way... Iran politics have been changed, whether for good or ill is yet to be seen. Also, what's with the weird reports of Arabs and even Venezuelans appearing in Tehran as riot police? Just a random false rumor? Or is truth stranger than fiction? |
No, I am several weeks outdated on the Middle East events.
From what I gathered, the current Iranian president recently won a landslide victory in their election and some people aren't happy about it. |
Iran poll loser leads huge rally
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1) The protests may potentially become a challenge not just of an election result, not just to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but to the supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, himself. That means it is, in effect, a challenge to the whole basis of the Islamic Republic, a prospect which some in the West would no doubt welcome, albeit secretly. 2) The public anger, and strong suspicion that the results were rigged in Mr Ahmadinejad's favour, is in itself a good indication of where ordinary Iranians stand with respect to the President's anti-Western rhetoric — they don't like it. 3) It should have been a widely celebrated election, one that was conducted openly with minimal interference or intimidation. Sadly, all that ugliness is now beginning to show its hand. So far, the Ayatollah is honouring the election results and calls on the opposition to use legal means to challenge the vote — in itself a telling sign of how Islam works in this complicated country: a problematic mix between secular modernity and religious tradition. 4) Unrest in Iran presents a difficult moment for the rest of the world as well. "The election choice was basically between the openly anti-Western Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Mr Mir-Hossein Mousavi, who made it clear he wanted to end Iran's isolation and talk to the Americans, (but) it would certainly not have been an easy relationship, even if Mr Mousavi had become president." 5) "(And) it certainly is not in the outside world's interest to have a long period of disorder in Iran. Political chaos in a leading oil-producing country would do more economic damage to Western countries." 6) Last but not least, what impact could the outcome have on Middle Eastern peace? Think Israel, which regards Iran as one its greatest enemies at the moment. |
I'm interested to know how Iran explains how they counted 35-40 million paper ballots in a couple of hours. If it was done legitimately, which I find doubtful, they should give the USA some tips on counting.
On the bright side, at least Khameni has called for an investigation. I don't think it'll lead to much though. |
Michael Totten's blog is covering the situation in Iran pretty well:
Iran on Fire: http://www.michaeltotten.com/archive...an-on-fire.php Insurrection: Day 2: http://www.michaeltotten.com/archive...rection-da.php An Enemy of the World: http://www.michaeltotten.com/archive...emy-of-the.php The updates have been coming in daily since the crisis started. |
Ayatollah Chomeini once led a peacefull revolution. At that time the shah of persia repressed the people.
The iranian people did not resort to violence then. The military of the shah shot demonstrators but saw the decisiveness of millions of demonstrantors and gave up. (A prime example of how a people can get rid of a dictator without civil war or preemptive wars of liberation led by third party countries with shady motives) Ayatollah Khamenei should know all too well how determined the irianian people can be when they want to get rid of a leader. Even if the election was not rigged up, the leadership might be better of with fair new elections and getting out of this mess peacefully. I think the determination of the iranian people in this matter will be the most significant factor in the aftermath of this election. |
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Tehran blocks broadcasts from BBC
Looks like the Iranian government is ready to commit a mass killing again, this time they will seal everything and make sure nobody interferes with the "justice" of their government. Honestly, every time a government-body goes on a mass murdering spree, they claim it as justice. Pretty lame.. Quote:
Considering that Iran is now blockading foreign press groups from entering their nation as seekers of the truth as to why civilians are getting gunned down by their government over a simple refusal of acknowledging the unreasonable landslide victory by the incumbent leader who is proven to be extra unpopular within their public for reasons such as attempting to provoke war, making nukes for the purpose of destruction, and not wanting to have peace with other nations. Due to various reasons such as these, the Iranians have become stressed as that they may end up as victims of foreign nation gunfire and air raids as that Iran may launch an attack at another nation provoking a necessary counter-attack. More over, the livelihoods of ordinary Iranians are at stake, they must protest to hope for the best... Tragically, before they succeed to seek fairness to their recent election; their current ruling government took their lives as the civilians whose livelihoods are at risk clashes with the people who supports the current incumbent leader. Hopefully, the ones open-firing at these poor civilians will start to feel that their actions are not the form of justice but that of crime, the crime of mass murdering innocent civilians over a simple election. Perhaps, the United Nations should step in and prevent this outrageous event from occurring. How pitiful.. |
@Shadow Kira01,
could it be that you are exagerating things a little bit? I did not hear of people being gunned down yet (only of warning shoots) - been reading different news sources BBC,AFP,AP,Reuters. A couple of german reporters was positive that they would be allowed to report as usual as of tomorrow. I am not sure if there is a general deniance of press. |
There's definitely a lot of really bad stuff going down over there, and there is a fair chance (probably?) the election was rigged, but what I don't understand is why the Iranian government (or whoever rigged the elections) are still keeping that Ahmadinejad guy around. I mean, he's just an embarrassment.
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Looks like the Ayatollah blinked.... his wing of moderate clerics were speaking out that the election looked "irregular". Problem is, unless he appoints an independent panel --- there's no credibility to having the goons who counted it the first time check their results.
And yes, some protesters have been shot... but it *APPEARS* that it may not have been riot police doing the shooting but a hard-line religious militia compound that the protesters got too close to. Still too chaotic to be sure either way but there have been a few people injured by gunfire. |
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the latest report puts the death toll at over a dozon as of this post
and the protesters at one million at their highest its ironic really, since one of the key issues that LED to the fall of the LAST regime in iran was the involvment of fake votes in elections if the corrent regime has repeated that mistake, then they must REALLY be desperete the elections in lebanon last week that the hizballa lost was an indication of the loss of public support for the path that iran is trying to lead ahmadinijad losing the election only farther cements that notion so they might have intervened to keep their policies alive P.S since the matter was raised, i should point out that the isreali view point is that ahmadinijad winning is (believe it or not) the BETTER option iran isnt really a democracy after all, the elected president is more of a international "face" then an active power in effecting national policy the ayatolla's do that from behind the presidency, and without asking what the people want so having the face of someone like ahmadinijad, who is an agressive, anti-western, holocust denier at the for front of such a regime is better (from an israeli view point) then having a resonable man like Mousavi neither one is the REAL head of the state, but the elected man is the FACE of the state to the outside world the regime is a dangerus hostile fandamentalistic regime ANYWAY at least with ahmadinijad in front, its LOOKS match its ESSENCE |
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Its not like Israel was much less radical then Iran. If one only thinks about the settling politics and the actual settlers (who would turn very violently against their own country when forced to give up their settlements). Honestly one cannot be very sympathetic with either side these days. There are fundamentalists on both sides. The only thing one can hope for is that things turn out without another war in this region. But when I hear israel's elites talk these days I always get the impression they actually want a major show down asap. |
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its easier to say "iran is a threat to the whole world" when you have a mad man like Ahmadinedjad at the helm i doubt there would be an israeli preemptive strike the over all goal seems to be making the international community get off its ass and deal with iran and its nuke production project not that i think it would work mind you P.S i'm with you on the settlements and settleres bunch of radical idiots who corrupted the very essence of what zionisem was SUPPOSE to be and are responsible for why its uttered almost as an insult nowadays but i disagree on one point true that both sides have fundamentalists in iran however, the fundamentalists are the ones in power the settlers are not in power, and are in fact LOSING more and more of what ever influance they have every day most of the israeli public agrees to the notion of clearing out settlements, using FORCE if neccesery hell, even the corrent israeli PM just declared that there WILL eventually be a palestinian state (which is something that his own PARTY has always been opposed to) guess we got obama to thank for that |
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