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Originally Posted by willx
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3) They depend on leaders (political, religious and other) to make decisions for them because they're so indecisive
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That's what a leader does. They make decisions. What else do you think they do?
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Everyone needs to look themselves in the mirror.
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No, only those who you described in 1, 2, and 4. The problem is there's enough of them to allow this crap to happen. How does that make
everyone at fault?
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Re: Wealthy Barons / Elite manipulating the poor masses .. My white-collar "Republican" boss genuinely hates Obama not for any reason other than he actually believes Obamacare and other policies will bankrupt the U.S. He hates the religious nutjobs but accepts that the leaders will need to give them lipservice to win the nomination. It's rather cynical, but he believes those idiots and nutjobs are just a part of the fabric of american society.
tl;dr version -- People are dumb, naive and lazy. There are many non-crazy Republicans.
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I don't see how this has anything to do with anything.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Casey
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b) has his own perspective on things that he genuinely believes is the truth
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That's the same thing as lying. It just would mean it isn't intentional, but it would still be lying (assuming his perspective is wrong, which seems to be the intention of the statement being made here).
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c) being unfairly demonized by people (He said that his plan won't add $5,000,000,000 to the deficit, but I don't remember him claiming that he never proposed such a thing, and hell, who knows if someone just misconstrued something he said a long time ago and he never in fact supported such a thing)
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He says a lot of things. And he doesn't back them up with anything. If he says his plan won't add five trillion to the deficit, we're supposed to believe him... because he said so?
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Sorry, people are absolutely fucking horrible and unfair judges of characters by and large, I'll need some linkage to support the 'Romney is a dirty liar' notion because I just don't have faith in other people not to be unfairly vicious pieces of shit
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People have been linking to fact checkers for a while now. I'd suggest starting at politifact.org. Though I find it ironic that you don't believe when people call someone a liar, but believe/give the benefit of the doubt to someone who constantly flip flops on his positions and then denies it. Or that you think people are "unfairly vicious pieces of shit" yet Romney is just misunderstood, when Romney's the one who said that, as President, it wouldn't be his job to care about 47% of the population, and strongly alluded to the notion that food is a privilege. Not good food, or expensive food, mind you, but just food in general that is required to live.
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Originally Posted by Sumeragi
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In the end, those who did nothing have no one but themselves to blame, and that is what I'm looking at for most people, who say they can do nothing and that it isn't within their power. No, it is within their power to do whatever little they can do, and if they don't do that little part they have no right to complain about it.
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Last time people peacefully protested against the corruption, they got maced, tear bombed, and beaten by the police, while the 1% watched and laughed. Literally, there were videos of them doing so, it isn't an exaggeration. So what do you suggest the people do? Rebel? You'd need a very LARGE percentage of America to rebel, all at once, to overcome the firepower that the corrupt can muster up.