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Akuma Kousaka 2017-06-30 02:55

Germany legalizes same-sex marriage, now in line with most of its European neighbors

There was a large outcry when same-sex marriage was legalized at the federal level in America since the supreme court decided it and not the lawmaking channels. It should be fascinating to see whether the same proponents of this sentiment are more receptive to what happened in Germany or if, perhaps, the notion was mere goalpost shifting

MrTerrorist 2017-06-30 12:00

Congrats to Germany and kudos to Angela Merkel, who despite being opposed to same sex marriage, allowed the vote to happen and even respected the decision when it was legalized.

MrTerrorist 2017-08-26 12:27

Trump Signs Memo Implementing Ban On Transgender People Enlisting In The Military

Key Board 2017-10-04 01:48

US votes against UN resolution condemning gay sex death penalty, joining Iraq and Saudi Arabia

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7980981.html

I'd expect better for US and Japan

Archon_Wing 2017-10-04 17:44

Misleading headline. It was because the resolution was much broader than that being of the death penalty, which the US would be hypocritical to condemn.

That being said, capital punishment in general is pretty backwards in many cases. It would seem retribution takes a higher value than safety or justice too often.

Akuma Kousaka 2017-10-04 17:56

I posit to inquire when America was ever cognizant of its own hypocrisy, especially in foreign policy

Demi. 2017-10-04 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Key Board (Post 6146376)
US votes against UN resolution condemning gay sex death penalty, joining Iraq and Saudi Arabia

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7980981.html

I'd expect better for US and Japan

They turned "US and 12 other countries voted against considering death penalty a violation of human rights" into "US joins Saudi Arabia and Iraq defending death penalty for gay sex". Even for Independent standards this is a whole new level of manipulation.

Key Board 2017-10-04 19:56

how about Snopes than

http://www.snopes.com/2017/10/03/uni...death-penalty/

http://undocs.org/A/HRC/36/L.6

Or the direct quote from the resolution

"Condemning in particular the use of the death penalty against persons with mental
or intellectual disabilities, persons below 18 years of age at the time of the commission of
the crime, and pregnant women,

Condemning the imposition of the death penalty as a sanction for specific forms of
conduct, such as apostasy, blasphemy, adultery and consensual same-sex relations, and
expressing serious concern that the application of the death penalty for adultery is
disproportionately imposed on women,"

Even if you argue the US is against this because they still wanting to the kill the ones in the upper paragraph it's still terrible

Given US relationships with Saudi Arabia, the reason seems to be clear to me, though.

Archon_Wing 2017-10-04 20:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akuma Kousaka (Post 6146672)
I posit to inquire when America was ever cognizant of its own hypocrisy, especially in foreign policy

Well I'd imagine the amount of people that want to execute people for being homosexual is quite high. Especially in that base. They do have a lot of common with those countries in the Middle East.

Anyhow a quick look at the document shows as it as only one of the given points.

6. Also urges States that have not yet abolished the death penalty to ensure that
it is not imposed as a sanction for specific form


And the US would certainly fail here. Some adherents are not unlike the Aztecs. Unless a minority is executed, the sun won't move, though poor people work too.

Quote:

4. Calls upon States to ensure that all accused persons, in particular poor and
economically vulnerable persons, can exercise their rights related to equal access to justice,
to ensure adequate, qualified and effective legal representation at every stage of civil and
criminal proceedings in capital punishment cases through effective legal aid, and to ensure
that those facing the death penalty can exercise their right to seek pardon or commutation of
their death sentence;
Quote:

Welcoming the fact that many States are applying a moratorium on the use of the
death penalty,
Noting that States with different legal systems, traditions, cultures and religious
backgrounds have abolished the death penalty or are applying a moratorium on its use,
So the text is mostly about the death penalty itself.

Akuma Kousaka 2017-10-10 21:11

USSC is asked to block Mississippi LGBT law

My minimum standard in regards to discrimination law is to not discriminate based on immutable characteristics. I would hope we are intellectually honest enough to concur that 2 men affectionately holding hands in a restaurant is not the same as 2 (gay) men being physically disruptive in a restaurant, directly harassing other patrons

I also feel it necessary to address the gay wedding cake issue, as it is a trivial matter but perfectly illustrates the debate. A retort often seen in this sphere is "should a gay owner of a T-shirt shop be forced to custom-make a shirt that reads God hates faggots?", to which I would reply the solution for the baker and the T-shirt shop owner's objections is to not make custom orders. In so far as the baker, do not include miniature men and women for your decorations, or custom messages via pastry pencils in your catalog. The t-shirt shop owner can also explicitly state that they do not do custom orders, nor are they obliged to order said product from somewhere else. You would not go to Taco Bell and demand a bacon double cheeseburger, I hope, so perhaps the discussion in regards to more hand-made services should be about product catalog and not your feelings on someone's personal life

Anh_Minh 2017-10-10 23:55

The shirt thing, unlike the cake, is hate speech. They aren't the same.

milan kyuubi 2017-10-11 11:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh (Post 6150061)
The shirt thing, unlike the cake, is hate speech. They aren't the same.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...kicks-11310237

shadow1296 2017-10-11 12:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by milan kyuubi (Post 6150245)

how is an anti abortion leaflet remotely intolerant to the lgbt community? this confuses me to no end, how could he find that offensive? did he think anti-abortion=anti-gay because it doesn't

Anh_Minh 2017-10-11 14:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow1296 (Post 6150269)
how is an anti abortion leaflet remotely intolerant to the lgbt community? this confuses me to no end, how could he find that offensive? did he think anti-abortion=anti-gay because it doesn't

1. One can be gay and have opinions unrelated to gayness.
2. It's not a large leap to think that conservative Christian activists are probably anti-gay. I'm sure not all are, but there's a correlation.
3. The leaflet in question was apparently in very bad taste. Rainbow hands over an aborted fetus.

So... take your pick?

(But I'll acknowledge that situation is somewhat closer to the cake thing.)

MrTerrorist 2017-12-07 08:18

Same-sex marriage is now legal in Australia

Congratulations to the folks down under. Meanwhile.....

Japan's LGBT advocates push for nationwide recognition of same-sex marriage

Thomppson 2017-12-14 04:47

I'm not against gays. I think everyone has the right to choose.


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