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CrowKenobi 2009-08-26 06:07
The Character Discussion Thread of SOS団 Member: Itsuki Koizumi
 
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Triple_R 2009-08-26 06:13
Itsuki Koizumi is arguably the most esoteric and mysterious of the SOS Brigade members, with Yuki Nagato being his principle competitor in those two areas. However, from a fan's perspective, there's far more novel focus on Nagato than there is on Koizumi, hence making him a bit more of a blank slate to me than Nagato is.

In some ways, I believe that Koizumi is meant to be the cheerful optimistic foil to Kyon's often exasperated pessimism and snark.

Also, I typically view Koizumi as the "coolest" of the canon male cast, and hence I tend to like him a fair bit.

That being said, he does strike me as the SOS Brigade member that's the most submissive towards Haruhi.

Kogetsu Shirogane 2009-08-26 06:23
Koizumi is awesome, I don't care what anyone says. :heh:

ac195 2009-08-26 08:09
Well, there really isn't much to say about Koizumi. He plays the role of mysterious transfer student and seems to be having fun with it.

As for liking or disliking him... I'm following Kyon on this one, I don't really care enough about him to try and think or learn anymore than what's given.

Oh, and here is by far his best shot IHMO.

Heatth 2009-08-26 09:39
It is exactly because he is the mysterious transfer student we have much to say about him. I mean, he is obviously lieing half of the time. Episode00 show us he (aparently) can't act, however, Lone Island II show us the oposite, as neither Kyon nor Haruhi could tell it was I a play. Even in the novels (where Kyons reasons to discover the whole thing are better explained) they only slip from Itsuki was long before the 'death', so, his acting during the play were perfect.

I agree with Triple when he says he is the most mysterious member of the brigade.


Oh, yeah, this shot is hilarious. =P

PP:
And fabulous animated gift too :p

OkamiNoKaze 2009-08-26 09:56
I don't know from his info dump in Melancholy 5, I've gotten a serious Kowaru (from Evangelion) vibe from him

Heatth 2009-08-26 10:30
Is the gayness :p

OkamiNoKaze 2009-08-26 11:05
I don't think so, I thought this even before I started seeing people taking that as part of his character

Heatth 2009-08-26 11:16
People don't need to talk about it to you notice, you know? :heh:

Not saying his definitevelly 100% gay. However, he has some suspect gestures. Like when he land after the fight with the Shinjin and trows his hair (this gesture can be seen every new episode in the ending, btw). Also, the way he speaks. I've never seen the anime Eva, but is possible both sounds in a similar way.

Sute443 2009-08-26 12:12
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Originally Posted by Triple_R (Post 2605550)
That being said, he does strike me as the SOS Brigade member that's the most submissive towards Haruhi.
A thought just occurred to me: What if Itsuki isn't just going along with Haruhi's plans to keep her happy but rather the link the espers share with Haruhi influences them to think she has some good ideas? ... That idea kept making less sense as I wrote it out.

Also, there's no actual evidence that Koizumi is gay. He could just be acting. He's a very good actor, after all.

Spoiler for Evidence that Koizumi is not gay, Novels 2 and 4:

Triple_R 2009-08-26 12:19
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Originally Posted by Sute443 (Post 2606063)
A thought just occurred to me: What if Itsuki isn't just going along with Haruhi's plans to keep her happy but rather the link the espers share with Haruhi influences them to think she has some good ideas? ... That idea kept making less sense as I wrote it out.
No, it makes some sense to me. Beyond that, Itsuki perhaps tries to keep Haruhi happy just to make himself happy, as per that same link (i.e. if Haruhi's happy, the link gives him 'feedback happiness' of his own to feel because of it).

Koizumi has always struck me as the SOS Brigade member most afraid of Haruhi ever losing - like he has an uniquely strong emotional investment in her winning. Every time Kyon thinks twice about helping Haruhi in her latest game (be it baseball or Sagittarius III, or anything else), it's ultimately Koizumi who talks him into giving it his all in order for Haruhi to win.

Personally, I think that Koizumi exaggerates the impact that Haruhi losing would have. I don't think that Haruhi losing one game would cause the universe to come crashing down; I think it would cause a couple closed spaces to open up, maybe, but that's about it.

In a way, I sometimes think that Koizumi is holding Haruhi's emotional maturing back by refusing to ever let her lose.


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Also, there's no actual evidence that Koizumi is gay.
There's no actual evidence that Koizumi is gay... in general. But the way that he treats Kyon... I'm sorry, but there's something there. There really is, imo. If Koizumi's acting was that good, why didn't it show up in Episode00? ;)

My own pet theory remains that Koizumi is straight... but due to his strong link with Haruhi, he feels the same attraction for Kyon that Haruhi feels.

freakonboard 2009-08-26 12:21
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Originally Posted by OkamiNoKaze (Post 2605833)
I don't know from his info dump in Melancholy 5, I've gotten a serious Kowaru (from Evangelion) vibe from him
Both are gachihomo characters.

And no, I'm not saying they're definitely gay.

Heatth 2009-08-26 12:38
I like you theory, Sute. However, there is ome few instances on Sighs when Itsuki was not pleasde by Haruhi.

For his gayness. As Triple said, is more the way he acts to Kyon. There is some points that prooves he, at last, like womans (this don't mean he can't be bi, though). Hoever, there is some points where he really seens to be a treacted to Kyon?
Spoiler for Novel5 and 9:


However I agree with Triple pet theory. It fit very well and make these two exemple understandable.
Spoiler for novel 9 exemple:

Triple_R 2009-08-26 12:58
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Originally Posted by Heatth (Post 2606125)
I like you theory, Sute. However, there is ome few instances on Sighs when Itsuki was not pleasde by Haruhi.
In fairness, I don't think that anybody was particularly pleased with Haruhi in Sighs. :heh:

It's cool that you like my Itsuki "Straight-But-Gar-For-Kyon" theory. ;)

Heatth 2009-08-26 13:03
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Originally Posted by Triple_R (Post 2606173)
In fairness, I don't think that anybody was particularly pleased with Haruhi in Sighs. :heh:
True. Even her fans, like you and me, can't really like her in Sighs :heh:

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Originally Posted by Triple_R (Post 2606173)
It's cool that you like my Itsuki "Straight-But-Gar-For-Kyon" theory. ;)
I have also posted that somewhere, actually. And, I've read it from someone eles in this forum, some time ago...

Aqua Knight 2009-08-26 13:17
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Originally Posted by Triple_R (Post 2606173)

It's cool that you like my Itsuki "Straight-But-Gar-For-Kyon" theory. ;)
This theory rocks!!!!!!:love:
I didn;t like him at first,but when my mates told me that I'm acting a bit like a gay he became one of my fav characters.:heh:

Sute443 2009-08-26 13:57
Why Itsuki's good acting didn't show up in Ep. 00: He didn't want Haruhi to know about it. If Haruhi knew that he was a good actor and combined that with the right evidence at some point in the future, she may come to suspect him of genuinely being more than he appears.

Spoiler for Novel 5 Evidence:

Novel 9 Evidence: ... Okay, that looks pretty strong.

The theory that Koizumi is picking up on Haruhi's feelings for Kyon: Isn't this a pretty popular theory? I thought it had been around for a good long while.

Triple_R 2009-08-26 14:26
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Originally Posted by Sute443 (Post 2606271)
Why Itsuki's good acting didn't show up in Ep. 00: He didn't want Haruhi to know about it. If Haruhi knew that he was a good actor and combined that with the right evidence at some point in the future, she may come to suspect him of genuinely being more than he appears.
... You must think that Koizumi is on an intellectual and careful detail level with L and Light Yagami. :heh:

I suppose that's possible, but he never struck me as that brilliant.

While I respect your viewpoint, I still think that the straight-but-gay-for-Kyon theory is more plausible than that.


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The theory that Koizumi is picking up on Haruhi's feelings for Kyon: Isn't this a pretty popular theory? I thought it had been around for a good long while.
Well, in truth, I picked up on the theory during a debate a short time ago between Heatth, Kaisos, Rambo, and myself. It's certainly possible that the theory dates back a long time ago, when I wasn't on Anime Suki, and somebody that I don't even know originated it.

However, I didn't know that it was popular. I've only seen it brought up once (by somebody other than myself) since I've been posting here heavily back, around, two months ago.

Heatth 2009-08-26 14:45
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Originally Posted by Sute443 (Post 2606271)
Why Itsuki's good acting didn't show up in Ep. 00: He didn't want Haruhi to know about it. If Haruhi knew that he was a good actor and combined that with the right evidence at some point in the future, she may come to suspect him of genuinely being more than he appears.
Yeah, this make sense. Yu don't need to L level briliant to fake you acting skills. Also, Itsuki already stated she is kinda afraid of Haruhi, the last thing he wants is she discovering he lied to her for the wholle time.

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Originally Posted by Sute443 (Post 2606271)
Spoiler for Novel 5 Evidence:

Novel 9 Evidence: ... Okay, that looks pretty strong.
I actually agree with you about the Novel 5 thing. I even posted so when this matter was discussed in the spoiler thread. I was just pointing it out, the only strong point is that one from novel 9. Not really enough alone... but damn supicious.

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Originally Posted by Sute443 (Post 2606271)
The theory that Koizumi is picking up on Haruhi's feelings for Kyon: Isn't this a pretty popular theory? I thought it had been around for a good long while.
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Originally Posted by Triple_R (Post 2606321)
Well, in truth, I picked up on the theory during a debate a short time ago between Heatth, Kaisos, Rambo, and myself. It's certainly possible that the theory dates back a long time ago, when I wasn't on Anime Suki, and somebody that I don't even know originated it.

However, I didn't know that it was popular. I've only seen it brought up once (by somebody other than myself) since I've been posting here heavily back, around, two months ago.
Yeah, Rambo was the one I first saw posting it. I also don't remember t being popular tough, never see it anywhere else.

Even the Haruhi's WMG of TVtropes don't seen to have it, and they have a lot of weird theorys.

Triple_R 2009-08-26 14:57
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Originally Posted by Heatth (Post 2606358)
Yeah, this make sense. Yu don't need to L level briliant to fake you acting skills.
That in and of itself, no. But to pretend to be a bad actor just so that somebody else won't catch on that you're actually a good actor just so that this same somebody won't start to grow suspicious and start guessing at things...

That's either extreme paranoia on Itsuki's part, or meticulously planning out everything he does in a very L and Light Yagami way.

Also, where is this idea that Koizumi is a great actor coming from in the first place? What evidence is there for that? It strikes me as pure speculation.


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I actually agree with you about the Novel 5 thing. I even posted so when this matter was discussed in the spoiler thread. I was just pointing it out, the only strong point is that one from novel 9. Not really enough alone... but damn supicious.
It's more than pure speculation, Heatth.

This idea that Koizumi is constantly putting on this great flamboyant act for Kyon and Haruhi, but then is so incredibly careful that when he actually acts in a movie he goes out of his way to deliberately degrade his acting ability just to put off possible suspicion... man, I'm not buying that at all. That's insane levels of facade-casting. It really is right up there with Light Yagami.

Ithekro 2009-08-26 15:12
That page is seriously long.

Sute443 2009-08-26 15:24
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Originally Posted by Triple_R (Post 2606381)
Also, where is this idea that Koizumi is a great actor coming from in the first place? What evidence is there for that? It strikes me as pure speculation.
Lone Island Syndrome and some part of Sighs that I'm having trouble locating right now.

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Originally Posted by Triple_R (Post 2606381)
This idea that Koizumi is constantly putting on this great flamboyant act for Kyon and Haruhi, but then is so incredibly careful that when he actually acts in a movie he goes out of his way to deliberately degrade his acting ability just to put off possible suspicion... man, I'm not buying that at all. That's insane levels of facade-casting. It really is right up there with Light Yagami.
Consider that he (believes he) constantly faces the risk of an unstable god destroying the world. I believe an insane level of facade-casting is justified.

Heatth 2009-08-26 15:26
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Originally Posted by Triple_R (Post 2606381)
That in and of itself, no. But to pretend to be a bad actor just so that somebody else won't catch on that you're actually a good actor just so that this same somebody won't start to grow suspicious and start guessing at things...

That's either extreme paranoia on Itsuki's part, or meticulously planning out everything he does in a very L and Light Yagami way.
You have a point. I can see the organization being that paranoic, though. Entreteining Haruhi is Serious Business.

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Originally Posted by Triple_R (Post 2606381)
Also, where is this idea that Koizumi is a great actor coming from in the first place? What evidence is there for that? It strikes me as pure speculation.
Lone Island. No one noticed he was playing the wholle thing. Never said he is a great actor. But better then he showed in the movie, where it was really obvious he was acting. Also, you could say more or less his entire life is a act, yet, Haruhi don't noiced it. And he (almost) never make his true feeling slip behind his cherful mask. Not a great actor, but enough to hide his own emotions.

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Originally Posted by Triple_R (Post 2606381)
It's more than pure speculation, Heatth.

This idea that Koizumi is constantly putting on this great flamboyant act for Kyon and Haruhi, but then is so incredibly careful that when he actually acts in a movie he goes out of his way to deliberately degrade his acting ability just to put off possible suspicion... man, I'm not buying that at all. That's insane levels of facade-casting. It really is right up there with Light Yagami.
This... was not responding to the quote right? :heh: I was talking about his behaviour on novel 5 and 9, not about his possible chess maestry.
Spoiler for novel 6, I believe:

Also, if it is true, I think the plan is not his, but of the Organization.

PP:
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Originally Posted by Sute443 (Post 2606454)
Consider that he (believes he) constantly faces the risk of an unstable god destroying the world. I believe an insane level of facade-casting is justified.
Good point. For Itsuki, and the organization as a wholle, Haruhi is pretty unstable and they afraid anything that might angry/bore/unplease her. He even told Kyon, in Day of Sagitarous, he envy Kyon for not being afraid Haruhi might destroy the world if they lose the game.

Simplicity 2009-08-26 15:45
De-lurking because of the awesome character threads :)

Spoiler for Novel 2+9 Spoilers:

Heatth 2009-08-26 15:55
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Originally Posted by Simplicity (Post 2606505)
De-lurking because of the awesome character threads :)
Yeah, they are awesome. Thanks Crow.

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Originally Posted by Simplicity (Post 2606505)
Spoiler for You should hide this kind of thing in a spoiler tag, edit you post, please:
Spoiler for book 9:


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Originally Posted by Simplicity (Post 2606505)
As for Itsuki as an actor, I think he is a good actor, as shown in Lone Island Syndrome. In Sigh I thought the bad acting came from a combination of pretty much nothing to go off of other than Haruhi's orders, no time to practice, and having other things to worry about, i.e. class play, the world possibly being permanently changed, etc. The conversation with Yuki was made up on the spot, right? So of course it would come off awkward.
Yeah, this is more simple and make sense.

Triple_R 2009-08-26 16:01
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Originally Posted by Simplicity (Post 2606505)
*snip*

As for Itsuki as an actor, I think he is a good actor, as shown in Lone Island Syndrome. In Sigh I thought the bad acting came from a combination of pretty much nothing to go off of other than Haruhi's orders, no time to practice, and having other things to worry about, i.e. class play, the world possibly being permanently changed, etc. The conversation with Yuki was made up on the spot, right? So of course it would come off awkward.
This I can buy into a bit easier. Itsuki's bad acting was due to Haruhi's atrocious Directing. :D

I dislike the idea that all of Koizumi's actions towards Kyon is pure acting because, well, I tend to very much dislike highly pretentious characters, and if this is all acting, then Koizumi is a highly pretentious character. I'd rather not dislike him because he strikes me as a good person in general.

Oh... something else to keep in mind, though - there have been times when Koizumi has acted very chummy towards Kyon... and Haruhi wasn't there. No need for acting then, right? ;)

For example, when Koizumi dragged Kyon off to see a closed space, I got a distinct feeling that Koizumi wanted to show off in front of Kyon. I really did get that impression from him.

Heatth 2009-08-26 16:12
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Originally Posted by Triple_R (Post 2606532)
Oh... something else to keep in mind, though - there have been times when Koizumi has acted very chummy towards Kyon... and Haruhi wasn't there. No need for acting then, right? ;)

For example, when Koizumi dragged Kyon off to see a closed space, I got a distinct feeling that Koizumi wanted to show off in front of Kyon. I really did get that impression from him.
True. He even smile less when they are alone (btw, he usually acts more gay when they are alone :p). Well,
Spoiler for book 6:


Well, in the end, he is a 'mysterious transfer student' :heh:

PP:
Also, you too, Triple, edit Simplicity spoilers to be under the spiler tag. If we do not take care, we might angry teh mods. Andspoil the poor aime viewers.

Kogetsu Shirogane 2009-08-26 17:23
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Originally Posted by Triple_R (Post 2606321)
... You must think that Koizumi is on an intellectual and careful detail level with L and Light Yagami. :heh:

I suppose that's possible, but he never struck me as that brilliant.
I'd say he's more on a "Lelouch" level, actually. While Light and L are certainly masters at what they do, Lelouch is capable of turning even negative scenarios to his favor.

Heck, he even managed to put on two completely separate personae, and at least once did so at the same time. Something not unlike Koizumi during the school festival.




... And no, I'm not just making the comparison because they're both voiced by JYB in their respective dubs. :heh:

Triple_R 2009-08-26 17:35
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Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane (Post 2606688)
I'd say he's more on a "Lelouch" level, actually. While Light and L are certainly masters at what they do, Lelouch is capable of turning even negative scenarios to his favor.
Lelouch totally screwed up the final two episodes of the original season anime. He...

1) Allowed his emotions to get the better of him.

2) Failed to make sure that his top soldier/mecha pilot was loyal to the core for him.

He would have failed miserably if Charles didn't like stupidly messing around so much.

Lelouch is a great character, but his competency is a bit over-rated. So is Koizumi's, it appears to me...



If Koizumi is all that, why hasn't he figured out Haruhi yet? Why hasn't he conceived of a method to keep her entertained into perpetuity?

Heatth 2009-08-26 17:54
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Originally Posted by Triple_R (Post 2606710)
Lelouch is a great character, but his competency is a bit over-rated. So is Koizumi's, it appears to me...



If Koizumi is all that, why hasn't he figured out Haruhi yet? Why hasn't he conceived of a method to keep her entertained into perpetuity?
I think it is you who are exaggerating what people think :p

See, that faking act in the movie might be too much, I agree. However, he is, by own admission acting full time to Haruhi and, yet, she haven't discovered yet. It make he, at last, a good actor (not great, or wonderful, but good).

He is also pretty competent, at last to follow Harui's weird orders, so he migh be competent in the Organization as well (not that competent, though)

Nothing to do with be able to keep Haruhi entertained perpetuity.

Kogetsu Shirogane 2009-08-26 18:01
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Originally Posted by Triple_R (Post 2606710)
Lelouch totally screwed up the final two episodes of the original season anime. He...

Spoiler for Another recent anime, use spoiler tags wisely!:
And Koizumi totally screwed up as well, did he not? I'm pretty sure being forced into writing mysteries for Haruhi to solve until she eventually gets bored of it was not something he intended.

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He would have failed miserably if Charles didn't like stupidly messing around so much.
Actually there's another reason for that, but this isn't a Code Geass character discussion thread. :p

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Lelouch is a great character, but his competency is a bit over-rated. So is Koizumi's, it appears to me...
... Why did you post something in agreement with my argument if you're trying to go against it? :heh:

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If Koizumi is all that, why hasn't he figured out Haruhi yet? Why hasn't he conceived of a method to keep her entertained into perpetuity?
He has, it's just that Kyon doesn't want to go along with it.

Triple_R 2009-08-26 18:10
First of all... do you honestly think that there's a Code Geass fan in existence, and posting/browsing on Anime Suki's Haruhi board, that doesn't know the end to Season 1 yet? I mean, it's all been English Dubbed even, right?

For anything in R2, I'd feel compelled to put up spoiler tags, but for Season 1?


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Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane (Post 2606746)
And Koizumi totally screwed up as well, did he not? I'm pretty sure being forced into writing mysteries for Haruhi to solve until she eventually gets bored of it was not something he intended.



Actually there's another reason for that, but this isn't a Code Geass character discussion thread. :p
Yes... Charles had his reasons, but they proved rather costly in the end.


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... Why did you post something in agreement with my argument if you're trying to go against it? :heh:
I mostly was going against the idea that Lelouch > Light & L. Koizumi just got caught into that with you equating him with Lelouch. So, I felt compelled to argue, more or less, that Lelouch & Koizumi are not > Light & L. Or, well, not Light anyway. L made some significant errors as well. Light was absolutely unreal in his battle with L, though.


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He has, it's just that Kyon doesn't want to go along with it.

Honestly, I think it would take more than HaruhiKyon as a couple to keep Haruhi entertained. I really do.

Kogetsu Shirogane 2009-08-26 18:20
First of all, I'm a bit skittish when it comes to spoilers of any anime within the past five years, even those that should be considered well known. Second, there's not even a full year between the initial airdates of the end of CG and the beginning of R2, so if you're going to say one's not okay, then the other shouldn't be either. (conversely, if one's okay, they both should be.)


Third... perhaps I could've made my initial argument a little better. I apologize for that. I was more interested in trying to prove Koizumi is more along the lines of Lelouch than the DN characters than I was in actually thinking the point through. :heh:

Triple_R 2009-08-26 18:45
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Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane (Post 2606778)
First of all, I'm a bit skittish when it comes to spoilers of any anime within the past five years, even those that should be considered well known. Second, there's not even a full year between the initial airdates of the end of CG and the beginning of R2, so if you're going to say one's not okay, then the other shouldn't be either. (conversely, if one's okay, they both should be.)
Well, it's just that we constantly make references to the Haruhi 2006 anime (only three years old), and nobody is saying anything about that when it comes to using spoiler tags, so...

Personally, if it's really popular, and it's English dubbed, I feel it's fair game for non-spoiler tag discussion. That's just my view, though.

I don't think that R2 has been English dubbed yet, but I stand to be corrected on that. I haven't bothered to check really, as my love of Code Geass went downhill big-time with the 2nd half of R2...


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Third... perhaps I could've made my initial argument a little better. I apologize for that. I was more interested in trying to prove Koizumi is more along the lines of Lelouch than the DN characters than I was in actually thinking the point through. :heh:
You have nothing to apologize for, Kogetsu. :)

In fairness, Koizumi's acting (if you view it as that) is closer in style to Lelouch's acting than it is to L or Light's, yes, I'll agree with you there.


If anything, I got a bit too animated. Code Geass is one anime that really hits a nerve with me for various reasons... :heh:

Spoiler for Code Geass spoiler tags out of respect for Kogetsu:

OkamiNoKaze 2009-08-26 19:56
R2 had been dubbed and ran on Adult swim, not sure about the where the DVDs are though. In fact they've restared from the beginning a quite a while ago.

Triple_R 2009-08-26 20:01
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Originally Posted by OkamiNoKaze (Post 2606932)
R2 had been dubbed and ran on Adult swim, not sure about the where the DVDs are though. In fact they've restared from the beginning a quite a while ago.
Thanks for the info. Wow... they ran through R2 pretty fast. I thought it was only about a year ago or so that the airing of the dub Code Geass began.

Kogetsu Shirogane 2009-08-26 22:55
They were airing it two episodes at a time. They had to restart it a few times because BZ! couldn't keep up with the broadcast schedule.



And Haruhi is slightly different in this case, as that's the series this forum is for. If we were talking in the Code Geass forum, I'd be doing the same thing with 06 Haruhi. (But that's not likely to ever happen, as I never leave this one, and you said you don't really like the series. :heh:)

yezhanquan 2009-08-26 23:07
Itsuki ala Lelouch or L/Light.... My, that's alot of names beginning with L.

I think at the start of the series, Itsuki is at best indifferent to the Brigade. But, as the story progresses, this indifference moves towards the "at worst" section. At best, he seems willing to stick with the Brigade.

quigonkenny 2009-08-27 03:32
No one has suggested the most obvious (to me) reason for Itsuki acting the way he does around Kyon, one that some of you may have heard from me before, so I'll say it again.

He does it simply to annoy Kyon.

Why, you might ask? Any number of reasons. 1) Haruhi seems to enjoy giving Kyon a hard time and seeing him in distress, so more Kyon distress (esp. on behalf of a romantically unthreatening character) means happy Haruhi. 2) The specific manner of his annoyance keeps Kyon from knowing too much about him or asking too many questions about him, even when prompted to. 3) He's jealous of Haruhi's attraction to Kyon. And so on...

I do side with the idea that everything Itsuki does (not just regarding Kyon) is calculated toward a certain result. His admitted farcical personality hints at it. I don't know if it's on the "wheels within wheels" level of Light or L, though.

ac195 2009-08-27 04:09
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Originally Posted by quigonkenny (Post 2607625)
No one has suggested the most obvious (to me) reason for Itsuki acting the way he does around Kyon, one that some of you may have heard from me before, so I'll say it again.

He does it simply to annoy Kyon.
Well you have to keep in mind that the story is being told from Kyon's point of view. From the moment he met Koizumi, he really wasn't too fond of him... so all of Koizumi's actions are seen through "Kyon-shaded-glasses."


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