still haven't seen the remastered edition only the regular one
but didn't Aegis cling onto the strike like there's no tomorrow then Athrun activates its self destruct sequence? if Aegis blew next to strike then wouldn't to be considered as the two blew up or was it blown by aegis? |
Yes, it's basically a kamikaze attack.
At the moment, Athrun is considered the winner because he did fulfill his objective. |
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Though as seen with the Impulse, a big enough explosion can still damage a PS equipped MS( though with this being Destiny, who knows if that is accurate lol). |
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Oh wait
If I remember wasn't Dearka got shot down as well? I stand corrected then. |
Kira did survive
the Strike was repaired but during that period of time, his main objective is to kill him or have his revenge in a sense he fulfill it since he believe he killed Kira... |
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Well if Kira didn't have so much plot armor than melting cockpits and explosions in the face would have killed him. So Athrun was right to believe that he killed Kira as it's impossible to fathom how Kira survived all that.
So I consider it a win for Athrun as Kira, by all means, should have died there. |
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I'm saying it doesn't matter what Athrun believed. He didn't. Plot armor is a bad excuse for Athrun because Athrun's victory was also a plot device so that Kira can gain a new mobile suit. So if you're going to go that route, then it doesn't really matter either way. The plot wins. |
we mentioned during that period of time
Athrun was for certain he killed Kira... it was until he confronted Lacus that he learned that Kira's still alive... that's why we mention in a sense Athrun fulfilled his role during that period of time, Strike vs Aegis, that his goals for that small time period was achieved. even if in reality that didn't happened until the reveal... it can still be consider his win |
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You're trying too hard. it reminds me of this gif I saw: Spoiler for Athrun in blue:
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As far as the fight is concerned, it was a desperate maneuver with no winner. As far as the battle is concerned, the Archangel gained the advantage by surviving, acquiring the Buster, and later regaining the Strike as well. |
Not to mention on the other side of things, the Zala Team was then down to only a single machine. The Aegis and the Blitz were both destroyed, the Buster captured along with its pilot, and one of its team members KIA. And their sole remaining machine, the Duel, was partially damaged IIRC.
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Where as Zaft gained nothing but the false satisfaction of believing they'd killed Kira for a few episodes until his return. If anything it made Durandal let his guard down thinking he'd basically won against the Clyne Faction when he hadn't, and it motivated Athrun to leave which ended up hurting Zaft even more when he started fighting against them. |
So basically, they won the battle, but lost the war.
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To Shinn's credit, he can at least say that he won the fight. The Impulse survived and the Freedom was destroyed, quite the opposite of what happened with Athrun. But yes, Kira and the Archangel won this encounter/battle by virtue of accomplishing their objective. |
Archangel Vs Minerva
result: Minerva's tactical victory (freedom was destroyed), but It was Archangel's strategic victory (except a single mobile suit and some troop, most of them succeed in escaping from ZAFT Forces) |
Anyone familiar with moral victories?
I've been thinking that the Impulse/Freedom duel, that was it a moral victory for Kira and Archangel, and could it be applied to Durandal when he lost in the final episode? |
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