Is using willpower/guts a bit of a copout?
When I first started anime, I loved shows where guts and toughness won the day, things like TTGL and Hajime no Ippo. The biggest example that anyone can relate to (if you're an American) is the Rocky series of movies. It's all about having the willpower to continue that lets the main character win the day.
I LOVED these type of stories. But I'm starting to wonder if using the old willpower/courage concept is just an easy way for writers to finish a story. It just seems like it would be much more interesting if things were solved in a creative way instead of just whoever has more will wins. Plus, the concept of will winning out over everything else isn't very realistic at all. Obviously a lot of anime are not realistic with mecha, sci-fi and fantasy being common but it just seems like using willpower is such an easy way to solve the conflicts in the story. When I looked at both TTGL and Ippo, most of the fights just boiled down to the main character having more will than the enemy and thus, they won. There were technical aspects thrown in (moreso in Ippo), but the one thing that won was willpower. Am I wrong in thinking this? Is using willpower just an easy way for writers to conclude their story without attempting to have another, more creative way of finishing it? |
It has to do with the mood of the story and... it's hard to explain without linking to a TVTropes article.
No, you aren't wrong. Sometimes, it is used as a copout, but sometimes it's the most fitting thing to use. |
To make a long story short, it's about ideals versus cruel reality. You need both actually but some prefer one more than the other. Anime aiming for kids and teens are heavy on ideals while anime aiming on mature or adults (hentai are of course not included) are more on the reality part.
I myself am more of the reality, although I gladly accept a twist as a jump from one end of the spectrum to the other. Imagine an idealistic hero realizing he was taken for sucker. Great scene, no matter how many times I watch it. Or a scientist having the power to destroy the world with a button because predictions and mathematic formulas show that people are scum, yet not pressing it because he hopes to change the world otherwise. It is great to have both as counterattacks of one another than just one. I no longer like shonen like Dragonball Z where your power is equal to your willpower. Why do the good guys have more willpower than the bad guys? Not explained, other than assuming the bad guys are not stuck up to their ideals as the good guys are. Something loathsome as the stereotypical villains are always a hundred times more glued to their selfish goals than the heroes are to their friends and their willpower is calculated accordingly. A nice excuse for ideals winning is that teamwork beats solo performance. A single ingenious person can achieve greatness on his own up to a point. Yet, several normal people can also achieve greatness if they just cooperate. Like adding their willpowers to a sum greater than an individual willpower. This is quite clear in the Genki dama in Dragonball Z or the conclusion of the first Sailor Moon season. Still, you also need a sense of realization of the true status of the world around you. If you try to build castles in the sand, no matter how much you try, you will always encounter failure without realizing the problem. Anyway, anime and cartoons started as children's adventures and comedies, where ideals were essential. Nowadays, people tend to be more cynical because of globalization and several scandals of clerics and politicians being reveiled on a daily basis. Ideals are still needed for civilization to maintain a form of solidness but not as much as before. |
The willpower/guts & toughness method of ending a series is simply generally more epic to watch than a more creative method.
If you look at the most beloved fights, and conclusions, in anime (and probably in pop fiction in general), they tend to be based more on willpower/guts & toughness than on creativity. You yourself mentioned TTGL, which is one of the most hyped action-oriented animes on the net, but then there's also the famous Falcon Punch, most of Nanoha Takamachi's victories, most of Shana's victories, etc... Generally speaking, it's simply more fun to watch heroes go in with guns ablazing or martial arts thrashing, and take down the villain through simply greater firepower and/or resolve, than it is to watch a cerebral solution play out. Don't get me wrong, a good cerebral solution can be nice to see, but it just tends to not carry that epic feeling that a lot of fans like to see in their entertainment - i.e. there's a reason why "epic win" and "epic fail" are such huge cliche terms on the internet. People like epicness. Idealism vs. Cynicism is a bit of a factor, but I honestly think that this is secondary to what simply looks cooler to your average fan. You can have a cerebral solution that doesn't contradict an idealistic outlook on the world. Actually, some of the more creative conclusions frequently arise from very idealistic heroes trying to find a way to defeat the villain with out actually killing the villain and/or causing any loss of life in general. Finally, like you yourself say, its generally easier to write a willpower/guts & toughness victory. The author has to be a pretty cerebral and intelligent guy himself to come up with something like, say, Death Note. |
Its the mindset that counts and the Japanese have a very powerful spiritual mindset, they are such hardworking people because they believe in willpower.
Is it really just yoru willpower at work? How can willpower itself work? Of course it can't work with just raw willpower. But willpower works because the characters had the will to train and make themselves stronger. They become strong enough to have the willpower to do what seems impossible. If you want to defeat someone, do you just keep thinking and have the will to win? No, besides having the will, you must have the power and means to do it. In other words, your willpower is the drive behind your actions, your capabilities respond to your willpower. You don't win because you are strong, you win because you refuse to give up. Quote:
It has always been shown in every single shounen, mecha series out there that the character who fights for others will win. Simply because he is not carrying just his own will, by the combined wills of others who are with him. His willpower is a combined willpower of everyone vs the enemy's single willpower. In TTGL, at first the Anti-Spiral was stronger than TTGL because it had the entire planet's will united. But when Earth appeared and the Gurren-dan saw the Earth, the realised that they are carrying the wills of their home planet as well, who are shown to have their faith in the Gurren-dan. And in the end TTGL wins because of their many wills which defeated the single united will of the Anti-Spiral. You see this in Ultraman, Kamen Rider, Super Sentai, Godzilla, Gundam, Digimon, all Super Robots, Shounen, everything. Its the combined many wills of everyone who supports you that defeats the single selfish will. Over at the One Piece subforum we have this really deep thread called 'Haki discussion'. There I realised that the West have a completely different mindset from the Japanese, its extremely hard for them to understand very simple Japanese concepts. Its really just a difference in culture that people don't understand. |
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Refusing defeat and standing up when you fall down = lame, if this is the kind of mindset that you have then its just you whose not suited to the genre. What these stories are teaching is to have determination and will, something that the Japanese culture treasures alot. They treasure the human spirit. What is different from my take on the combination of wills and yours is that you do not account faith and belief in it. Even if your sand castle fails, you should keep trying if you really want to do it, you must have faith in yourself. Its when people think they have realised the reality of things that they start to lose faith and give up. |
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TTGL is loaded with protagonist character death, and prominent character death at that. But when the character died for a cause, he or she accomplished something worthwhile with it. Much better handling of character death than what I typically see in western comic books, where characters are frequently killed for sheer shock effect. Quote:
While I was a big Bleach fan, they were a bit guilty of this, imo. So, I agree with you here. If an attack looks like it inflicted lethal damage, then the character shouldn't be fighting on in spite of it. He or she should be down for the count (at least), if not outright dead. |
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By the way, the Japanese people were brainwashed during the 2nd world war to be in a mindset of "we are the undefeatable nation that will rule all of Asia in the name of the God emperor". Can you imagine how devastated they were, when their undefeatable navy was beated, their cities were nuked and their God emperor surrendered, begging for mercy? Don't try to convince me standing up or not surrendering would lead to Japan winning the war, because it wouldn't. They had already lost. So, from my point of view, all this "fight for your ideals and never give up" is more of a tradition than actual practice in real life. |
I actually enjoy the idealism portrayed in the willpower tropes, but not when used excessively. Related what roriconfan was saying, the problem with such "good guy" conviction is that what if the enemy has such convictions too?
Protagonist believes he/they are doing the right thing, fights to protect something, etc. Antagonist believes he/they are doing the right thing, fights to protect something, etc. And what I like about anime is that there are many titles featuring this aspect too. Although less common, this goes to the idea of Strong Opinions, Weakly Held i.e. willpower that can change directions even less common is the idea of Weak Opinions, All Strongly Held, where you're not attached to any one at all, and treat them all as potential solutions, perhaps suitable in different contexts i.e. applying willpower in multiple directions |
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Why did the priests lose? Because their will and belief is not strong enough to win the will and belief of the rest of the world. More people were convinced by science and believe the facts of science, the will of discovery continue to uncover more with science. Why did the Japanese lose in WWII? Despite their will and belief, they lost to the will of the Allies. Even with their extremely strong will, they do not have the resources to win the war. The combined will of the Allies combined their efforts, resources and war factories to produce overwhelming forces. Will is nothing unless you have the means to support the will. Even in anime, the characters have the power to support their will. One of the most important traits in many of the shounen and mecha characters is 'Nekketsu', 'Hotbloodedness', a word that cannot be found in the English dictionary and people nowadays do not know what the word is about. |
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Down to it, there is no other excuse other than allowing the heroes to win in a sold out battle, just because the politically correct cliche dictates a happy ending for the side of the established shape of morality. Did you knew of propaganda in cartoons during the WW2? Youtube is full of idelistic crap of that time. Look what blunt propaganda were feeding to the poor children back then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmCd0QXTS7I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_F_sUpMH18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRcBt904OJ0 By the way, this is not off topic. Willpower is practically Japanese propaganda for having children to keep fighting (working in the real world) no matter the odds (no matter how much their work and lifestyle sucks). |
the thing is, with some shows like Hajime no Ippo or Kenichi, while I enjoyed them both, when I step back, I don't see anything else to back up their will except will itself. You mentioned the means or power to support their will, but I just see that as being unexplainable sometimes, usually simply arising out of the thought "I cannot loose", or "I made a promise" etc. Like in some games where you gain extra abilities just by being down on your last once of health.
In other words, I don't see the development in the turning point used to allow the protagonist to win. |
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In English, you can translate it as 'potential' or 'latent energy'. Its often said that when you push someone to the limit, they will ultimately fight back. Sokojikara is when you push someone to the limit and they have no more routes left but to use every bit of their strength to fight back. When you have such a great desire to win but is losing, or when you want to live but is dying, you will have this incredible urge to fight back with every bit of power and wit. And in a fictional world of characters with superhuman strength or determination, this latent energy is also superhuman and suspends belief. Suspension of belief is in all works of fiction. |
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EDIT: Damn beaten to the punch by C.A who ironically made the same point as well lol :heh: As for my views on the matter however, I'm generally fine with willpower winning the day as long as it's not contrived and doesn't feel out of place. When it's start to get overused and/or abused, i just can't help but think "not this shit again...", then again that goes for everything else overused and cliched. So in effect, i think it all boils down to the execution and portrayal of such willpower as per all cliches. |
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Actually the Japanese act of Kamikaze in WWII was a desperate act of sokojikara. They were desperate enough to be willing to sacrifice their lives and use their own planes and themselves to take down aircraft carriers and ships. |
If you don't have the will, you don't win. It doesn't matter if you have everything else; you need a goal to fight for.
Heroes don't fight against overwhelming odds because it is easy, but because it is hard. Go ahead; try to write a story containing no will power. The story would have no humanity or purpose. A will to succeed is not optional; it is mandatory, to win in anything and everything in the world. |
^ Spoken with great truth. Where there's a will, there's a way.
I think the main gripe occurs when the 'way' becomes rather inconceivable to imagine. EG: Hero stares at an enemy with a will to win so great, that the enemy magically blows up. A bit of an extreme and probably poor example to use, but it's the best i could come up with on the spot :heh: |
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I'd have to disagree with you about the "excuse", though. It also has a lot to do with the mood of the story. People don't watch Bleach to watch realistic fights, they watch Bleach to watch the main character win against near-impossible odds. Having it be realistic, even at the end, would actually be worse for the anime, since it wouldn't fit the mood. And the main character probably would've died quickly, making for bad entertainment. Personally, as long as a series keeps the concept 'too much of a good thing' in mind, I don't mind this idealistic mood in my anime. lol, itt ppl debating which ideology is better by the criteria in their ideology. |
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