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Klashikari 2017-12-18 12:52

Fate/Apocrypha - Episode 23 Discussion / Poll
 
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Nivek von Beldo 2017-12-18 13:05

Did they skipped some dialogue of Jeanne and Shakespeare? i think as their convo was more hostile in the novel(specially about her role in the Hundred Year wars?) but how shakespeare played his NP with her memories was slow, specially his love with Sieg.

Modred and Kairi both fall downs as they titans they were, they stole this anime with their roles,well at least mordred found peace before dying

Twi 2017-12-18 13:09

Thanks for the thread!

Okay, so on the episode (review/recap) I really liked the action and revelation that Mordred comes to in the end as the underlying reason for wanting to become king.
Spoiler for For curtosey.:

XFire 2017-12-18 13:38

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Originally Posted by Twi (Post 6176987)
Thanks for the thread!

Okay, so on the episode (review/recap) I really liked the action and revelation that Mordred comes to in the end as the underlying reason for wanting to become king.
Spoiler for For curtosey.:

Spoiler for Jeanne:

Kanon 2017-12-18 17:09

The best master and the best servant are gone. I'll miss them. At least they both realized what they truly wanted in the end, and were at peace.

I liked the part with Gilles, and how he slowly changed into his Fate/Zero appearance during the conversation.

Wandering Soul 2017-12-18 17:48

Looks like the best servant and master pair kicked the bucket. It wasn't a bad send off though, they defeated their opponent and both were at peace with themselves during their final moments.

John117xCortana 2017-12-18 18:46

When I first saw Modred in the beginning and how she behaved, what happened in the flashbacks....I didn't think highly of her.

But now though after seeing how honest she was with herself...part of me thinks that this version of her might be a good king if she had the chance.

bakato 2017-12-19 20:18

Did Kairi really inject Mordred with an antidote for hydra poison? That's possible? Then why the fuck didn't they do that for Chiron?

Nivek von Beldo 2017-12-19 20:41

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Originally Posted by bakato (Post 6177335)
Did Kairi really inject Mordred with an antidote for hydra poison? That's possible? Then why the fuck didn't they do that for Chiron?

Chiron was already death at that point and the loli reaper poison was other thing

Twi 2017-12-19 21:12

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Originally Posted by bakato (Post 6177335)
Did Kairi really inject Mordred with an antidote for hydra poison? That's possible? Then why the fuck didn't they do that for Chiron?

Remember him screwing around with the Hydra that he got as payment upfront for entering the war, only for Shirou to screw up the drawn lines? Hydra poison is painful enough that Chiron sacrificed his immortality to die just to be rid of it in his legend. Only someone either reckless or immune to poison would mess with it like he does without an antidote.

bakato 2017-12-19 22:36

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Originally Posted by Nivek von Beldo (Post 6177339)
Chiron was already death at that point and the loli reaper poison was other thing

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Originally Posted by Twi (Post 6177349)
Remember him screwing around with the Hydra that he got as payment upfront for entering the war, only for Shirou to screw up the drawn lines? Hydra poison is painful enough that Chiron sacrificed his immortality to die just to be rid of it in his legend. Only someone either reckless or immune to poison would mess with it like he does without an antidote.

I know that. What I meant was that if it was possible to create an antidote for hydra poison in the first place, then why didn't anyone do that for Chiron back when he was alive? If even a mage of modern magecraft could do it, then why couldn't the people of the Age of the Gods pull it off?

XFire 2017-12-20 00:21

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Originally Posted by bakato (Post 6177359)
I know that. What I meant was that if it was possible to create an antidote for hydra poison in the first place, then why didn't anyone do that for Chiron back when he was alive? If even a mage of modern magecraft could do it, then why couldn't the people of the Age of the Gods pull it off?

He made the antidote out of the hydra he got. Another minor detail the anime skips.

belatkuro 2017-12-20 03:07

Yeah, the advanced pay he got from Belfeban from signing in this war was hydra parts.
Plus he was brewing the antidote the entire war, since after he summoned Mordred. Even if someone is better than Shishigou in that, it would still take a while to make, something you can't wait for when you have a poison as potent as hydra eating at your body.

Ruki0089 2017-12-20 09:00

I never read novel but... so all this time, since the beginning of this war, Shishigo made some kind of antidote for Hydra's poison?

XFire 2017-12-20 11:08

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Originally Posted by Ruki0089 (Post 6177521)
I never read novel but... so all this time, since the beginning of this war, Shishigo made some kind of antidote for Hydra's poison?

He made it along with the darts he was making out of its poison.

HandofFate 2017-12-21 01:46

for the crowd favorite Mordred is to some, she sure didn't have much screentime or did much this entire thing

XFire 2017-12-21 02:01

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Originally Posted by HandofFate (Post 6177779)
for the crowd favorite Mordred is to some, she sure didn't have much screentime or did much this entire thing

Favorites rarely do. It's because they only have a few scenes that they can get away with only showing their cool sides, and leave the viewers wanting more.

MgMaster 2017-12-21 15:32

Apocrypha seems to like giving it's servants a good death. Like, even if they don't win, for heroes of old summoned to fight as servants, a death like that is probably one of the best endings they can hope for, besides winning, of course. Still, I'd have loved to see Mordred remain in this world and hang out with Shishigo ~ tho that's not possible unless u win and wish upon it or something is it? Or can you just remain anyway if you'd feed on souls. Like, Gilgamesh stuck 'till the next grail war but he was the last man standing and and I recall he said it was the grail's wish for him to rule again. I didn't exactly get that part as in, if he himself made a wish to remain in our world or the grail just wanted for him to remain.

XFire 2017-12-21 16:03

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Originally Posted by MgMaster (Post 6177967)
Apocrypha seems to like giving it's servants a good death. Like, even if they don't win, for heroes of old summoned to fight as servants, a death like that is probably one of the best endings they can hope for, besides winning, of course. Still, I'd have loved to see Mordred remain in this world and hang out with Shishigo ~ tho that's not possible unless u win and wish upon it or something is it? Or can you just remain anyway if you'd feed on souls. Like, Gilgamesh stuck 'till the next grail war but he was the last man standing and and I recall he said it was the grail's wish for him to rule again. I didn't exactly get that part as in, if he himself made a wish to remain in our world or the grail just wanted for him to remain.

Neither, he got soaked in Grail mud and gained a physical body.

The Grail tried to nom him same as the others but AUO ego is stronk.

Also Gil was eating orphans Kirei kept in the basement.

Kanon 2017-12-21 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by MgMaster (Post 6177967)
Apocrypha seems to like giving it's servants a good death. Like, even if they don't win, for heroes of old summoned to fight as servants, a death like that is probably one of the best endings they can hope for, besides winning, of course. Still, I'd have loved to see Mordred remain in this world and hang out with Shishigo ~ tho that's not possible unless u win and wish upon it or something is it? Or can you just remain anyway if you'd feed on souls. Like, Gilgamesh stuck 'till the next grail war but he was the last man standing and and I recall he said it was the grail's wish for him to rule again. I didn't exactly get that part as in, if he himself made a wish to remain in our world or the grail just wanted for him to remain.

As long as he has a master, a servant doesn't need to win or feed on souls to remain in the real world. I don't remember the details, but Saber stayed around in UBW's good ending without trouble.


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