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james0246 2012-10-17 07:44

One Piece - Chapter 685 [manga]
 
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Sorry for the delay, I thought Marvel was back in action...

Full spoilers have been released.

raziel16 2012-10-17 07:53

So..

Since momonosuke is a Japan boy, he's turned into Asian dragon and not the western version like the previous 2?

Smoker has skin hardening technique similar to Vergo and Luffy. This technique becomes more and more common. It's not fun anymore..

Monet isn't just has snow type ability, she's a logia on top of that... and also a swordwoman 2 sword style. Nice combination. Wonder if Law has something to do with those wings and talons

chancs 2012-10-17 08:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by raziel16 (Post 4400419)
So..

Since momonosuke is a Japan boy, he's turned into Asian dragon and not the western version like the previous 2?

Smoker has skin hardening technique similar to Vergo and Luffy. This technique becomes more and more common. It's not fun anymore..

Monet isn't just has snow type ability, she's a logia on top of that... and also a swordwoman 2 sword style. Nice combination. Wonder if Law has something to do with those wings and talons

"she's a logia type...leaver her to me"

I wonder how Zoro will be able to fight with Monet. She can fly. Wonder if he will jump continuously to strike her. :heh:

ronin myael 2012-10-17 08:41

this is unexpected. zoro versus monet! this should be interesting...

marvelB 2012-10-17 09:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by james0246 (Post 4400405)
Sorry for the delay, I thought Marvel was back in action...


I really wish this were true myself, but my comp's still in the middle of being repaired. Don't worry though, I'll let you know when I'm back on full-time duties again. ;)




Anyways, fun chapter. I like how half of it focused on Momo's flashback (interesting that his human form was shadowed during that whole time, as well). And now we have actual confirmation that Vegapunk is creating artificial devil fruits. Now this makes me wonder: Does Monet's snow powers come from one of those manufactured fruits, as well? Because I think that could actually settle the whole confusion about her power and Aokiji's being the same (in fact, Aokiji's fruit could have been the base model for Monet's)......



Also, I'm glad to see Luffy being legitimately pissed at a bad guy again after such a long time (and who wouldn't get ticked at a scumbag like CC?). But I wonder what was up with Momo's hallucination? Did he actually meet Doflamingo before? Something tells me things are going to get a lot more complicated once Dofla's goons arrive at PH.....



Oh, and I just want to finally add that the Halloween spread is the greatest thing ever (WHISKEY OR BEER!). :D

chancs 2012-10-17 09:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by marvelB (Post 4400480)
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Now this makes me wonder: Does Monet's snow powers come from one of those manufactured fruits, as well? Because I think that could actually settle the whole confusion about her power and Aokiji's being the same (in fact, Aokiji's fruit could have been the base model for Monet's)......

And also how he was able to converge two abilities in one. Her ability to fly and that Aokiji's ability.

Wonder if Blackbeard was tipped off by CC about the mixing/ absorbing the power form Whitebeard :rolleyes:

marvelB 2012-10-17 10:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by chancs (Post 4400518)
And also how he was able to converge two abilities in one. Her ability to fly and that Aokiji's ability.


I'm pretty sure that her harpy body is a result of Law's ability, actually. Notice that the ONLY time we've seen her in a fully human form was during that brief flashback where we saw Law's first meeting with Caesar. Since then, she's never changed back.....


Oh, and speaking of Monet, it's kinda nice to see that my "Yuki-Onna" theory was kinda proven to be true, heh. :p



Anyway, since we've got confirmation of Momo being a zoan now, I wonder how long it'll be before we see him in his beast-man form.....?


Oh, and I guess it's time to get the "Momo for nakama" party started on that note. ;)

SMASHERJACKSON 2012-10-17 10:04

Momonuske for nakama.

james0246 2012-10-17 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by chancs (Post 4400451)
"she's a logia type...leaver her to me"

I wonder how Zoro will be able to fight with Monet. She can fly. Wonder if he will jump continuously to strike her. :heh:

Zoro has long range attacks, and since Haki can be expressed at a distance, if Monet is a Logia she can be hurt by Zoro even if she stays overhead.

Quote:

Originally Posted by marvelB (Post 4400480)
(interesting that his human form was shadowed during that whole time, as well).

That's because, and you're hearing it here first, Momo was born a girl. Kinemon is just a really shitty father who raised his daughter as a boy...

:).
Quote:

Originally Posted by marvelB (Post 4400480)
Oh, and I just want to finally add that the Halloween spread is the greatest thing ever (WHISKEY OR BEER!). :D

Agreed. It's already my new desktop image.

edit: Who is Jock, and why are they dead?

Kona 2012-10-17 10:30

So Momonosuke has a Zoan now and somehow ended up the boats with the other kids. Once he knows how to use the DF it's gonna get really interesting how he combines it with his swordamanship. Didn't even show him "smuggled" so how did he get there. When he was about to fly Doflamingo face popped up so maybe he's involved why Momonosuke is on the PH.

Kanon 2012-10-17 10:33

Monet is confirmed to be a logia. I thought she'd be a paramecia myself. Her powers do seem to overlap a bit with Aokiji, maybe Marvel's theory is right and the devil fruit she ate was an artificial one modeled on the ice-ice fruit.

I find it interesting that Momonosuke saw a vision of Doflamingo. Has he met him before?

Meloria 2012-10-17 11:23

First we see CC using castanets, then Vergo with his bamboo stick and now here we see Monet using ice pickers. What next, Oda? :p

ZGoten 2012-10-17 11:26

I think now it is pretty clear that Smoker is using armament Haki. He did a similar attack during the previous chapter, but it was hard to tell whether his fist was drawn black because of his Haki or because of the glove. Since I'm pretty sure he doesn't were elbow pads though, we can savely assume that he is using Haki to fight Vergo, now.

As for Zoro and Monet, I hope that this skirmish is going to last a bit longer than all the previous ones so far, but I doubt it. However, we haven't really seen Zoro fight against this type of opponent in the series, so it would be highly interesting to see in my opinion.

aohige 2012-10-17 12:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by james0246 (Post 4400564)
edit: Who is Jock, and why are they dead?

The scans you're seeing is probably poor quality. It says Jack.
As in, the beloved Jack we all know that influenced Brook and the entire Thriller Bark arc.

Kona 2012-10-17 12:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronin myael (Post 4400461)
this is unexpected. zoro versus monet! this should be interesting...

Zoro unveils a new technique he learned over the two years.

noktown 2012-10-17 12:42

I hope Zoro gets to fight this time though,not just an off-panel KO...

Freya 2012-10-17 13:10

Wonder how long these fights can really last though. Isn't the gas still coming?

orangejuicetang 2012-10-17 13:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by raziel16 (Post 4400419)
Smoker has skin hardening technique similar to Vergo and Luffy. This technique becomes more and more common. It's not fun anymore..

It actually seems to be more the 'armament' haki, which makes sense for a lot of people to have. In fact, Sanji and Zoro probably have it too since you need it to be able to fight logia, and Luffy confirmed that those two were also able to fight logia when talking with Law.

Mateus 2012-10-17 13:36

Wow so Monet is pretty evil then, I wonder how serious the fight will get -- she probably won't die but I wonder just how big a bump she will be taking from Zoro, that is if her cheap snow tricks don't make her impervious.

janipani 2012-10-17 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanon (Post 4400588)
Monet is confirmed to be a logia. I thought she'd be a paramecia myself. Her powers do seem to overlap a bit with Aokiji, maybe Marvel's theory is right and the devil fruit she ate was an artificial one modeled on the ice-ice fruit.

Devilfruit doesn't have to be artificial or modeled, since is quite clear that devilfruits don't follow ice, fire, water and wind patterns, but rather cultural ones.

That means that devilfruit can be anything under any human invented abstract theme like 'Snow' or 'Ice' or any other variation of different kind of ice that has a name.


Seems like Smoker actually doing quite fine.. somehow I have a feeling though that Vergo is able to take anything Smoker throws at him.

golgo13 2012-10-17 14:49

What a chapter.

Vegapunk managed to make a devil fruit?? Thats incredible. I wonder if he was able to trap the power from a dieing DF user or was actually able to make on from scratch.

Nice to get a sense for how long Monosuke has been there, 10 days. A lot of interesting tidbits of info. Pirates are giant 400KG men? Is Wano near Elbaf? Or, and this is a little bit out there, has Wano been used as a test ground for the giantification experiments? Was Monosuke chosen to be planted on the island to get to the bottom of it? Maybe the results of the dragon experiments have been sent to Wano as well and that is why Kinemon/Monosuke don't like dragons? Finally, What is Donflamingo doing in Monosukes head??

Love seeing Smoker kick ass.

Interesting match-up between Monet and Zoro. Really wanna see Zoro kick some ass here.

Xellos-_^ 2012-10-17 14:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mateus (Post 4400776)
Wow so Monet is pretty evil then,

you mean stabbing someone form the back? that is not evil, that is just smart.

randomlex 2012-10-17 15:40

I wonder if Momo will actually be able to control the DF power - it is human-made after all, maybe he's stuck in that form for good?

If Vegapunk managed to perfect these DFs and even combine them, it could make things interesting in the future - maybe Blackbeard got his technique from the great scientist, as well...

SilverSyko 2012-10-17 17:27

The revelation that there are artificially produced devil fruits is quite unexpected. The question now is that just what devil fruit powers have we seen that are "artificial" or "natural" and does an artificial devil fruit have the exact same properties and rules pertaining to it as a natural one?

I'm surprised Monet's a snow logia, but I'll let it slide considering this chapter's revelation. It's certainly possible it could be a power created by Vegapunk or something. Cool to see her going up against Zoro too. Since she's a logia an opponent who can use haki is the only logical option, and considering Luffy and Sanji are out of the question, that just leaves Zoro.

And it was stated that the df Momonosuke ate was "flawed". My guess is that Momonosuke may NEVER be able to change back to his human form thanks to this.

randomlex 2012-10-17 17:50

Not to belittle her abilities, but IMO Monet has no chance against Zoro, Logia or not. A few haki-imbued slashes and she's down for the count - I bet she'll just use some quick attacks then retreat or fight someone else, like Robin or Nami...

Rainbowman 2012-10-17 17:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverSyko (Post 4401069)
The revelation that there are artificially produced devil fruits is quite unexpected. The question now is that just what devil fruit powers have we seen that are "artificial" or "natural" and does an artificial devil fruit have the exact same properties and rules pertaining to it as a natural one?

I'm surprised Monet's a snow logia, but I'll let it slide considering this chapter's revelation. It's certainly possible it could be a power created by Vegapunk or something. Cool to see her going up against Zoro too. Since she's a logia an opponent who can use haki is the only logical option, and considering Luffy and Sanji are out of the question, that just leaves Zoro.

And it was stated that the df Momonosuke ate was "flawed". My guess is that Momonosuke may NEVER be able to change back to his human form thanks to this.

With this Devil Fruit revelation, I'm confused. :confused: I would think that Devil Fruits were all artificially made and not natural.

With Monet's snow logia powers, they must be a more concentrated version of Aokiji's ice logia powers.

If what Momonosuke stated was true, I bet Chopper will find this flaw and try to fix it.

I wasn't sure, but was there a mini-story or a color spread this week?

marvelB 2012-10-17 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZGoten (Post 4400647)
I think now it is pretty clear that Smoker is using armament Haki. He did a similar attack during the previous chapter, but it was hard to tell whether his fist was drawn black because of his Haki or because of the glove. Since I'm pretty sure he doesn't were elbow pads though, we can savely assume that he is using Haki to fight Vergo, now.


I've said this like a hundred times already, but there shouldn't have been any reason at all to doubt that Smoker can wield haki now. He's a vice-admiral after all, and it was confirmed just a mere few chapters before the skip that ALL VAs are capable of using it. So why should Smoker (who's currently a VA) be an exception? Occam's Razor, people. :rolleyes:



Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainbowman (Post 4401100)
With this Devil Fruit revelation, I'm confused. :confused: I would think that Devil Fruits were all artificially made and not natural.


Pretty sure that the original devil fruits are "natural" in a sense. Or at least existed long enough that they're considered as such. After all, the fact that there's even a DF encyclopedia shows that they're something that's been researched for centuries. So my guess is that if they AREN'T produced from nature, then whatever method was used to create them in the first place was so complicated that it would only take the most brilliant of minds to "recreate" them. And remember, Bartholomew Kuma even once said that Vegapunk was the kind of genius that only comes along once every several hundred years......

vansonbee 2012-10-17 20:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kona (Post 4400724)
Zoro unveils a new technique he learned over the two years.

To make his own harem.

Seriously I hope he doesn't kill her out right.. :(

ReaperxKingx 2012-10-17 20:51

I am surprise that Monet's devil fruit is Logia, I expected Zoan or Mythical Zoan. She appears to be a Harpy when she first appeared.

golgo13 2012-10-17 20:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverSyko (Post 4401069)
And it was stated that the df Momonosuke ate was "flawed". My guess is that Momonosuke may NEVER be able to change back to his human form thanks to this.

Where was it stated as flawed?

ReaperxKingx 2012-10-17 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by golgo13 (Post 4401285)
Where was it stated as flawed?

The Devil fruit is said to be a failure. What is surprising is that the Devil fruit actually got a Dialogue bubble, maybe its a Devil fruit with a mind of its own.

golgo13 2012-10-17 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReaperxKingx (Post 4401291)
The Devil fruit is said to be a failure. What is surprising is that the Devil fruit actually got a Dialogue bubble, maybe its a Devil fruit with a mind of its own.

One of the PH soldiers commented "I heard it was a failure..", but I attributed this to CCs negative attitude towards Vegapunk and didn't think much of it. After the "incident" it would have been difficult to recover the fruit and it doesn't seem like it was independently analyzed, if so why was it kept etc.. Not enough information to conclude it was a "failure" imho.

If it is flawed that opens up some interesting possibilities for Monosukes fate.

Random thought, is donflamingo able to control monosuke from an insane distance? Heh, probably not, but if not that means they must have met at some point, maybe on the ship he was smuggled on..

ReaperxKingx 2012-10-17 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by golgo13 (Post 4401306)
One of the PH soldiers commented "I heard it was a failure..", but I attributed this to CCs negative attitude towards Vegapunk and didn't think much of it. After the "incident" it would have been difficult to recover the fruit and it doesn't seem like it was independently analyzed, if so why was it kept etc.. Not enough information to conclude it was a "failure" imho.

If it is flawed that opens up some interesting possibilities for Monosukes fate.

Random thought, is donflamingo able to control monosuke from an insane distance? Heh, probably not, but if not that means they must have met at some point, maybe on the ship he was smuggled on..

Could be or maybe not, but I do think its a failure. Even if a person is hated to the point of no return, they'll at least acknowledge the accomplishments of that person. Its all speculations of course. The dialogue bubble on the Devil fruit is the thing I am wondering about.

Mateus 2012-10-17 21:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^ (Post 4400867)
you mean stabbing someone form the back? that is not evil, that is just smart.

I know you're right it's called being pragmatic, but from a moral standpoint an honorable fighter wouldn't stab someone in the back, but I digress before this thread becomes flooded in a needless debate.

aohige 2012-10-17 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^ (Post 4400867)
you mean stabbing someone form the back? that is not evil, that is just smart.

It's not about stabbing someone from behind in a fight.

She stabbed someone who's occupied trying to save children, from behind.
Not to mention she's trying to feed more meth to kids. :heh:

Seitsuki 2012-10-17 23:01

Hey, FOR SCIENCE! right?

AdventSleeper 2012-10-17 23:57

Artificial devil fruits is quite a surprised.

Glad to finally find out what happened with Momonosuke. One of the most disciplined kids out there..

Still not sure what to think of Monet as far as loyalty. Seems like there's moments where she may be good and others where she is bad..

grey_1960 2012-10-18 00:28

Chapter 685
That was a cool chapter. The further this story goes the more impressive Vega Punk is. Creating a devil fruit is impressive feat. So there is chance there will be two of the same devil fruit users. Monet is a Logia user, that is pretty cool. Although snow does not seem has intimidating has ice. It will be interesting to see her use it against Zoro. Has for the Momonosuke eating the artificial devil fruit and changing into a dragon it will be interesting to see the kind of side affects to come from Man Made fruit?

Man Made Fruit and the future
I wonder if Vega Punk has been able to weed out the weakness of the devil fruits. Second I wonder if some of the WG and Marines have eaten some? Kinda convenient that you have 3 powerful people (Akainu, Kizaru, and Akoiji) who all powerful and useful Logia fruits. With Akainu at the helm of the Marines now, I would not be surprised if the Marines now have bunch of freak shows in their ranks. Who know maybe Akoiji's replacement has Ice Logia too.

ronin myael 2012-10-18 03:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdeal000 (Post 4401107)
Color spread. One of the best OP ever had, too.

yeah. i'm saving that one for halloween! :D

Undertaker 2012-10-18 03:42

Other than the obvious questions that are in the chapter, I wonder what makes Momonosuke to be on that ship in the first place?

Momo sneak himself on board for some reason, and the face he sees while losing his conscious seems to be Doflamingo, could that be a hint that Doflamingo's base is in Wano?


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