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monir 2018-05-16 02:34

Steins;Gate 0 - Episode 6 Discussion / Poll
 
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Klashikari 2018-05-16 11:43

I'm not sure what to think about the direction of the episode. The discussion between Kagari, Suzuha and Okarin wasn't really smooth, and there was some random stuff like that camera pan on her chest for like 2-3 seconds for no reason. Meanwhile, they really put emphasis on Suzuha anger there, even though she was supposed to be confused and worried about her instead.

The Japanese Shaman Girls scene is there, albeit it was a bit awkward too, but at least Leskinen reaction is there :heh:

Anyway, the pace finally picked up with this episode.

Dengar 2018-05-16 13:46

I liked Leskinen's face. It was great.

As for the end of the episode. The universe really does insist on denying Okarin his peace of mind at every turn. It's always whenever he finds a way to calm down a bit too.

Kakurin 2018-05-16 15:09

God damn it, knowing Steins;Gate I had a very bad feeling about the episode with the mood that was almost too calmn, and my hunch was not wrong with that end.

Also, Leskinen and Reyes are extremely shady at this point. Especially with how Reyes was looking after Kagari passed by at the shrine.

Wandering Soul 2018-05-16 15:58

By the time the party started, I had a feeling that things would ramp up near the end.

Reyes is suspicious and she is most likely in on whatever Leskinen is planning. The scene where she watches Kagari at the shrine was ominous,so she no doubt has something to do with that ambush at the end. Those men at the end are probably the ones that are part of the other group looking for Kagari.

Kakurin 2018-05-16 16:03

I'm just thinking though of how they are going to resolve this situation. The route of the alpha world line with time travel is not available here. I assume Mr. Braun will do something since Nae is in the midst of it.

Kanon 2018-05-16 17:10

With the Amadeus server cutting off right before the attack, I guess Leskinen's group is behind it. I don't think Mr. Braun would risk exposing his daughter to danger. He may even become an ally in this timeline, plenty of hints he and Moeka know what's going on.

There are no do-overs this time, so I doubt anybody will die. The lab is cursed. Every time they throw a party, it ends with a raid.

Dextro 2018-05-16 17:31

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Originally Posted by Kanon (Post 6236653)
With the Amadeus server cutting off right before the attack, I guess Leskinen's group is behind it. I don't think Mr. Braun would risk exposing his daughter to danger. He may even become an ally in this timeline, plenty of hints he and Moeka know what's going on.

There are no do-overs this time, so I doubt anybody will die. The lab is cursed. Every time they throw a party, it ends with a raid.

The lab parties truly are killers :heh:

Anyway very nice seeing stuff ramping up. I'm eager to see how this goes given I've forgotten most of the details from when I played the game.

AC-Phoenix 2018-05-16 18:25

Well a lot in that episode.
Seeing Daru trying to scare Suzuha was kinda funny too.
Also Rukaku getting harassed by the girls (lol)

What I was kinda missing was Amadeus making some form of comment about Kagari.


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Originally Posted by Kakurin (Post 6236635)
I'm just thinking though of how they are going to resolve this situation. The route of the alpha world line with time travel is not available here. I assume Mr. Braun will do something since Nae is in the midst of it.

We don't know whether he is even a rounder in this time line.
Though Okabe suspects he is.
For all we know he might even be in the middle of it as its masks again...

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Originally Posted by Kanon (Post 6236653)
With the Amadeus server cutting off right before the attack, I guess Leskinen's group is behind it. I don't think Mr. Braun would risk exposing his daughter to danger. He may even become an ally in this timeline, plenty of hints he and Moeka know what's going on.

There are no do-overs this time, so I doubt anybody will die. The lab is cursed. Every time they throw a party, it ends with a raid.

Mayuri's watch stopping usually means she dies.
They could also still use Suzuha's time machine, so no problem there.

GDB 2018-05-16 18:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakurin (Post 6236635)
I'm just thinking though of how they are going to resolve this situation. The route of the alpha world line with time travel is not available here. I assume Mr. Braun will do something since Nae is in the midst of it.

I'd assume both he and Moeka will intervene, considering he seemed to notice the one who was being sneaky. This does not appear to be the same group as the Rounders. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the other two professors are in on this.

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Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix (Post 6236668)
We don't know whether he is even a rounder in this time line.
Though Okabe suspects he is.

He has to be (or had to be, since we're like 5 months later than the original anime now). The timelines only diverged at the point of the D-Mail being sent. I don't see him being able to form the Rounders, train them, and make them loyal in less than 2 weeks.

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Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix (Post 6236668)
Mayuri's watch stopping usually means she dies.
They could also still use Suzuha's time machine, so no problem there.

It didn't stop, he was just remembering her saying that as the feeling was similar. Pretty sure Suzuha only had one more trip left in her time machine, didn't she?

Kanon 2018-05-16 18:52

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Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix (Post 6236668)
Mayuri's watch stopping usually means she dies.
They could also still use Suzuha's time machine, so no problem there.

Mayuri's watch didn't stop. That was just a flashback Okabe had when Amadeus stopped working and he noticed the similarities between the two situations.

Fair point about the time machine, but they should only be able to use it one more time.

AC-Phoenix 2018-05-17 02:53

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Originally Posted by GDB (Post 6236677)

It didn't stop, he was just remembering her saying that as the feeling was similar. Pretty sure Suzuha only had one more trip left in her time machine, didn't she?

Even if she had only 1 trip left - she could just travel back to when she had more. There would be two time machines at one place then though.

erneiz_hyde 2018-05-17 03:30

It's like you forgot everything from the first anime, but that's understandable, it's been a long time ago :heh:
The use of time machine shifts the divergence ever so minutely that it's not enough to shift world lines (much less attractor fields) but enough so that no two same time machine can exist at the same time.

Klashikari 2018-05-17 05:04

^ To further illustrate that point: Suzuha and Okarin never encountered their "past selves" who failed to save Kurisu the first time during operation Skuld.
In layman terms, time travelers are redirected in a virtually identical world line, except that due to their nature of observers, they don't overlap on the same line they already visited.

Also, it is impossible for Suzuha to time travel back to a time where she had enough fuel, because this would lead to a paradox: the Suzuha with more fuel wouldn't be able to do everything the current Suzuha did so far (as in: time traveling progressively to look for Kagari). If anything, the current Suzuha cannot undo what she did herself. The paradox would potentially make the world line erasing her on the spot. It is the very same reason why Okarin is forced to make his past self witness "kurisu's death" so it doesn't screw the entire continuity of his actions.
The only way to theorically fix that is time leaping, but this isn't possible either for obvious reasons.

moridin84 2018-05-17 05:11

So this is currently the beta timeline? The world war 3 one?

Klashikari 2018-05-17 05:15

Yes, this is the Beta World Line. That's the very reason why Suzuha is that different compared to the original Steins;Gate series.

moridin84 2018-05-17 07:10

Suzuha didn't seem that interested in Amadeus. It seems strange. You'd think that she's be interested regardless of whether or she or didn't know about Amadeus from the future.

Since the old guy is from the Rounders and is probably going to save them, I guess that these bad guys are different from SERN.

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Originally Posted by Klashikari (Post 6236831)
Yes, this is the Beta World Line. That's the very reason why Suzuha is that different compared to the original Steins;Gate series.

I guess she is different now that you mention it.

I dunno how exactly she is different though, it's been a while since I saw the original Stein's Gate.

Jan-Poo 2018-05-17 07:50

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Originally Posted by Kanon (Post 6236653)
There are no do-overs this time, so I doubt anybody will die.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix (Post 6236668)
They could also still use Suzuha's time machine, so no problem there.

You don't think it's possible that the whole reason we have Kurisu-Amadeus in this story is to make it possible for Rintaro to obtain yet again the time leap machine in this Beta World Line?

With his knowledge of the original Kurisu's invention and the knowledge and memories of the virtual copy, there shouldn't be any reason why this wouldn't work.

Also since the basic principle of Kurisu's invention is to transfer memories I wonder if Kagari is bound to become the flesh vessel of Kurisu-Amadeus.

moridin84 2018-05-17 08:53

If I remember, the time leap machine can't transfer memories to any point. I think it is the point the machine was first created/used or something right? In that case, it's useless to use it to reverse the current situation.

And if erneiz_hyde is right, Okabe can't use the time machine to directly affect what is happening now since there has been a time machine since Kurisu died.

A couple of episodes back Okabe experienced a "time divergence", although it seemed to be closer to a dream of the future. At the same time, some of his actions were different to what he remembered, that is he called Amadeus back after hanging up in the current timeline.

Dengar 2018-05-17 09:46

The time leap machine has a maximum amount of hours you can send someone back to. You can go back further by using the time leap machine in sequence, but that ends when you reach a point in time where the machine does not exist yet.

I think the limit was about 3 days?


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