| DezoPenguin |
2012-02-20 22:05 |
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Originally Posted by ThereminVox
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I was surprised by how quickly the teacher's suicide and murder of his mother was attributed to the calamity, since all the others so far have died due to suspicious illnesses or accidents. Was it really so unthinkable that he just snapped that they were willing to break with agreed upon countermeasures? I'm not suggesting they're wrong, since there's been no further fallout from retiring the non-existent club. I just found it odd.
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More on that later...
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Twintails is flagging hard as the extra if Mei's assertion that Kouichi's alive is to be believed. She's left it hanging out there twice now that she feels she's met him before. At this point though, we may as well just wait and see, since there have been so many red herrings. I like the theory that she's Ritsuko because of the implications, but it doesn't seem to scan with why Sakakibara's memory of a year and a half ago would need to have be altered, since she's been dead for 15.
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Also, it doesn't seem like the Another changes names. When you get right down to it, all the memory-shifting is kind of irrelevant if the dead person can just walk right into class under another name and another appearance. Izumi still looks like the best possibility for the Another, though, just not as Kouichi's mother (though that would be a neat possibility--the fact that Kouichi came back as a transfer student for this year would explain why she'd want to return to life).
...Mei's repeated assurances as to Kouichi's reality make me wonder if her doll's eye really can see things. Of course, it also makes me wonder why, if that's the case, she doesn't take the eyepatch off at school and identify the dead person right away. :heh:
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Originally Posted by Kanon
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I don't think Akazawa is Another, much less Kouichi's mother. I took what she said as yet another clue that Kouichi lived/visited Yomiyama in the past, and that his memories were altered meaning he was aware or perhaps even witnessed Another's death. Besides, it's never been hinted (unless I missed it) that the dead one could be given a completely different identity, appearance, and memories, effectively turning him an entirely different person. That's too convoluted and it would make it absolutely impossible to figure out his identity.
As for her being the real Izumi that died two years ago (haguruma pointed out her brother was in 1996's class, so she could have been a victim that year), it's entirely possible. It's only my gut feeling that tells me she isn't.
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Yeah, basically I agree with this completely. :D
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They attributed it to the curse because they saw him try to push away the knife (I kinda lol'd at that). It clearly looked like he was being manipulated by something. Of course, it may have just been him going completely loco but given the context it's safe to assume he was forced to do this by the phenomenon.
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I sort of buy that, except that no one that was in that conversation actually saw the death, if I followed correctly (Kouichi and Mei walked into class late and everybody turned around and looked at them, and of course the librarian wasn't there at the time). Audience knowledge attributed to the characters without at least one of them mentioning it ("Akazawa mentioned it looked like he was trying to fight the knife off"). But then again, it's completely reasonable in terms of group psychology. Look at the alleged "curse" of King Tut, for example--once you start attributing supernatural causes to something, people immediately jump on the bandwagon to pile every possible case in, and that's a phenomenon in the real world, where there's no such thing as the supernatural, let alone in a situation like prevails in Yomiyama.
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Originally Posted by VDZ
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I realized something while watching this episode. The memories related to the Another are erased at the end of the year. It's never even been hinted at that the memories could be erased at any point before that - in other words, even if the Another were to die during the year, they would carry on with the knowledge of the Another's death, not forgetting anything about him/her until the end of the year.
Now, with that in mind, let's say you figure out who the Another is, and are convinced that if the Another is no longer alive, the phenomenon stops. If tensions rise high enough, someone will eventually kill the Another. So far, we've been assuming that means game over, the human party won, but thinking more realistically...as nobody is aware that the victim is the Another, it will be seen as a regular murder until the end of the year.
So here's my theory. In the Class 3 of 1983, during the school trip at the shrine, a combination of tension, paranoia and desperation caused conflicts inside the class to escalate, leading to violent conflicts that eventually resulted in the death of three students: The two students mentioned this episode, and the Another. Naturally, such a grotesque event does not go unnoticed, and the rest of the school year was disrupted and police and the legal system got involved. This dragged on for the rest of the year, until at graduation, everybody involved lost memories of the Another - including the murders at the school trip and its consequences. Nobody remembers why the two students died, but they assume it was because of the phenomenon. The school trip was rescheduled from third year to second year, but nobody remembers why. And when asked about any details of the school trip, how they solved the problem, the rest of the year - people can only recall vague traumatic experiences, but no longer have the memories of what happened at that time, as the majority of half a year's worth of memories was erased.
It's possible Reiko was also caught up in the paranoia and ended up killing or at least severely injuring a classmate, leading to the bird's quote: "Why, Rei-chan? Why?" The guy mentioned in this episode sounds like he was a prime suspect during the investigation that no longer exists, still haunted by accusations (correct or not) he can no longer remember.
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Damn brilliant logic. I don't know if it'll turn out that way, but it certainly makes sense... "I had to leave it there..." |
