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Haa... I wonder how much of the episode will be spent on trying to convince Mikoto/talking/Toaru Majutsu no Index's usual blabbering... Hahaha...
No... I think I already know... *weak laughter*

Loli Misaka! GOOD! :D

...Gotta do something before I can watch though... *walks reluctantly away from computer*

............AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH?!

Oi, Director. Come behind the Gym with me! I have business with you.


.....
Still... This was a poor episode. The story didn't freakin' move! Even though it had 20+minutes! Besides a half-pointless scene at the beginning with Komoe talking about the Shreidinger (Sp?)'s cat thing (what is this, Chaos Head?), the rest of the episode is a repeat of Mikoto and Touma arguing at each other (both shouting stupid things) and about three blasts of lightning.
And guess what's worse? Mikoto still isn't convinced and the episode ends with Touma STILL trying to figure out a way to convince her.

And... feh, I had a laugh from the sudden and badly-placed insert song at the beginning...
Let's save that for better scenes. I know Mikoto (loli version too) is cute, but it didn't need a whole insert song.

Right...

Why Touma doesn't die from Mikoto's lightning: He's the protagonist
Why the cat didn't die either: It's the protagonist too, right?




Summarization of episode in 4 kanji: 厨二全解

Preview: The story finally moves. No better joy than that.

The thing i enjoy about watching this episode

"epilogue", huh... It feels a lot like
Director: Let's try putting a C-part in 'cause it's totally cool!

Because there wasn't a squat difference if they placed it before the ED...

AH-ah, oh well, I almost died laughing when the episode ended and I realized the story didn't move for the 20 minutes it had... I guess I had fun in that way.


The OP/ED shouldn't appear until this arc is over. Maybe another 2 weeks...

the insert song was great :3

"Ame" was it? I really love Kawada Mami's music^^

They coulda cut off the first 5 minutes and have a better episode than this. The Index/Komoe scenes are really annoying and add nothing to the plot whatsoever.

Also,
1.The animation budgeting / using the same thing from episode 1 is a big turnoff.
2. Insert song gave the scene the wrong mood.
3. Obvious loops in the sound towards the end.

I expected better from J.C.. Unfortunately, I'll have to give this episode a low rating.

bad, bad episode. Very bad in fact.

The nice art doesn't help the fact that this episode was really bad.

I spent 5 minutes being annoyed and bored. That's right, I actually skipped parts pf this episode, and STILL, I was bored. As some of the previous posters may have mentioned, this episode doesnt move ONE bit. Sorry, to be honest, it DOES move, in what could be explained in one short paragraph (for me, (I can summarize the whole episode in 3 very short sentences. Probably 2 if I actually try)

I'm starting to feel that the producers' priority for the series is the "cool factor", instead of good story telling. The pacing has been pretty bad in the past episodes, but this episode simply took the cake.We get to hear Touma repeat the same philosophical BS for ~5 minutes (if you don't count the last half of the episode (which I wont, since it's got some nice FX)).

Besides, Touma's "righteous" attitude is starting to get on my nerve. It's probably just me, but when Touma tried to stop Biribiri, I couldn't help but think that what he's doing is EXACTLY the same thing as what Biribiri wanted to do for the sisters. Hypocrite, anyone?

Don't get me wrong, it is a nice looking episode. I would probably think it's an amazing episode if I were to see only a bunch of screenshots. However, that's about all it's got. Other than the art, it's horrible.

Well in the manga version of the scene Touma pointed out that Mikoto is too much of a hothead to face somebody as dangerous as Accelerator.

Dying won't solve the problem.

This epsode spent only about 40 pages of the novel (the previous episode was about 80 pages).

Are the anime episodes handled by different teams? Because it seems to me that the agreement between some episodes makes absolutely no sense. The first and second episodes were well paced, for example. The third was horrible, as was the fifth and some parts of the sixth. It feels like different people are animating the episodes at their own paces.

Yes, yes, because animators are in charge of writing. :rolleyes:

Well, I think it's mostly because we have a mediocre director.

What's the title of the insert song in this ep?

I got a feeling that Kotoko would be doing the second opening.

The title of the insert song was "Ame", and it's already been confirmed that Mami Kawada will do the second OP.

For the episode itself, I suppose a good nickname for loli Mikoto would be Chibiribiri.

I wouldn't call it "bad", but it had 1-2 scenes which had me scratching my head.

1) Why for the love of god did they skip the flashback scene depicting Mikoto coincidentally walking in when Accelerator killed a clone of her? It would have added some color, and it would have underlined the torment she's undergoing.

2) I really disliked how they altered the Touma-Mikoto showdown, particularly the silly ending. They made it look like Mikoto was recoiling from Touma, scared to tears of the fact that he was still alive in the end, and that she seemed to accept having killed Touma fairly easily. Instead, at least in the manga (and I assume likewise in the novel), Touma regained consciousness while Mikoto held his head in her lap, crying. The author considered this scene key enough to even have an illustration added. Why the HELL did the director change it??

*sigh*

Man that was a waste of an episode. Did we really need that dinner scene again, just to pad things out? They couldn't even finish the bridge scene. The manga did this so much better, and the novel no doubt did, too. I'll throw in my agreement with the complaints of Mentar and everyone else above and below me.

Ten thousands killed already?

Why haven't they killed the bastard already? Ten thousands of them, and none of them figured out a way to do it? I mean, would his "Vector Change" power save him if a fire burns all the oxygen around him?

This episode...too much talking...definately too much talking. Touma shut up about your ideals too. Komoe-sensei's theory about the chocolate and cat was okay, it's just Touma that's uber annoying.

The art was pretty, definately very pretty. At least the art is pretty...so it won't be the 'worst' anime episode I ever seen :uhoh:

Of course it would; just have him move out of the way. You underestimate his hax.

Their purpose was never to kill him, only to train him, and they seem to have accepted that role up to this point.

Fine. Bigger fire. Various poisons. (How can he use his power to move anyway? Redirecting gravity toward wherever he wants to go?)

I'll agree that the episode was bad because it was basically the same thing repeating it's self around three times, though the music was on top form so i'll let it go.

& that seemed like a waste for an insert song.

I liked this Mikoto arc, and that the next episode should be pretty interesting. I'm guessing they put an insert song since there was a side story for Mikoto, and just for the general sympathy for Mikoto.

(Dang, she's turning into a great tsundere :heh:)

Can't he just "accelerate" himself? I figured flight was a natural consequence of his power. Redirecting gravity would no doubt work, too.

Toma's annoying because he wants to stop somebody he cares about from committing suicide... Riiiiiight, I'll remember that one. ;)

Why would they even want to kill him? That's never been their goal.

Edit: Surely Touma will hax his way to victory, but the Sisters never intended to kill him in the first place so why would they bother coming up with a way to?

Yeah if they wanted to win they'd be going at this in a different fashion. Like a mass attack instead of 1 vs 1 matchups in which they would have absolutely no chance at survival. Ok not having that last scene is definitely a crime right there. I mean killing a scene like that is just wrong. Oh well guess that's what you end up getting some times.

Thought for a moment that I did see a flashback of Mikoto walking in on the scene. Though could easily be wrong on that. Either way it wasn't something that they made important note of so even if it was there for a second it doesn't really matter much.

This episode... wasn't very good.
Actually, it was bad. I have to agree with everyone else that nothing happened this episode. Some of the 'camera' angles made me wonder what in the world the director was thinking too....

Also, I don't know much about Schrodinger's Cat, but from what I do know about it, the explanation in the beginning sounded really... off. It might just be me though.

This explanation didn´t made really any sense! Schroedinger´s Cat is a thought experiment to show, why we can NOT simply use the Laws of the Quantum Mechanic on things like cats or other stuff.



Really, the explication of Tsukiyomi-sensei remind me more of a description of the "Marble Phantasmen"(Kuusou Gugenka and the "Reality Marble"(koyuu kekkai) from Nasu-verse... Changing the probality of reality according to one´s wishes, pulling always the white marble out of a sack with 99 black marbles...

Ignoring the other problems and the pacing, (I guess they want to stretch the arc out to five episodes instead of four) I assume the scene of Touma waking up is simply in the next episode.

Yes, it should have been in this one, but since they dragged things out, the next episode will likely begin with it.

I enjoyed the visuals of this episode, but the dialogue needs to go into a dark alley and shoot itself. From the very first episode this show has some of the clumsiest explanatory dialogue of any shounen action anime I've ever seen. There's a reason why even Naruto shortened the explanation of Chakara/abilities from the source material and added some nifty visual representations of what it's trying to explain. To Aru Majitsu no Index drags out what it's trying to explain to the very edges of human tolerance, and it wastes the animation budget on what is essentially neutral stimuli that has very little bearing on what's being discussed. I wish someone would go back and dub over certain scenes bunch of slapstick jokes since this makes more sense to me than a bunch of cute girls discussing "science."

I wasn't very happy with it either, but this isn't the first time I've seen quantum observation as the explanation for powers. Anne McCaffrey's Talent books definitely used it to explain its psychic powers, for instance.

7. They should have finished the bridge scene in 1 go and yeah, I was annoyed at komoe's explanation about espers (probably because I didn't understand or, I was not willing to understand :p)

Yes, I suspect the director slid that in to divert our attention from the fact that little's happening onscreen (or at least lessen viewer boredom by giving them a new song to listen to). Sometimes there's no creative reason for the decisions they make.

This episode employed plenty of budget saving tricks often seen in live-action TV (perhaps they're preparing for a more elaborate episode later; nevertheless, it's certainly an inelegant way of managing time/budget). Seeing how good the character art turned out, episode construction was probably finished quite quickly, giving the artists enough time to polish it up.

Anyway, I found this to be reasonably enjoyable, even if the back-and-forth angst got annoying. IMO, a story doesn't necessarily have to progress every week.

This episode isn't bad at all... considering how long it takes to make these damn things.
*Bad Parts - It's visually appealing, but it lacks a lot of things,plot unclear,lots of loose ends ect.

All he said about his power is that it lets him redirect forces affecting him. If that's accurate, it should be possible to cage him - there wouldn't be enough forces for him to work with and break the cage.

Bar -> go out. Cage = broken. It really depends on how much force he can give something, but his power is fundamentally broken. Well, I guess you're assuming that he to work with something that's already moving? I doubt that, given the opening animation and his title (Accelerator implies that he can accelerate things). Even if that is the case he could redirect the gravity of one bar and have it bend itself or whatever. Everything's constantly being affected by things like gravity and air pressure (normal force, etc).

As for the episode overall, I don't have any huge problems with it. Not the best ever, but I don't feel like they've failed to convey the story or anything like that. It's just another episode of Touma being Touma ("I don't have any better suggestions, but I'm going to hold firm and vaguely suicidal convictions about things I've barely heard about.") combined with a rather lengthy (but necessary) explanation of what the heck is going on. Cut out the explanation and it makes no sense at all. And if you can't stand Touma I'd recommend not watching this show.

I assume he can redirect forces touching him. His own gravity, for example, lets him accelerate at 9.8 m/s² in any direction. But the forces holding a metal bar together don't affect him so he can't do anything about them. He could push the bar and maybe double the force applied with his power (inverting Newton's action/reaction law), but no more. That shouldn't be enough. And neither would gravity be. Metal cages don't break apart under their own weight, no matter how your turn them, usually.

I just want to know who's brainfart it was to make an apparent psycho who seems to get off killing little girls into the most powerful esper ever. No that smooth plan won't come back to bit you in the butt :twitch:

I interpreted it as "redirect forces that he touches", ie: he can do it to anything, but it has a touch-based range limitation. Think about all the forces touching you right now. You've got gravity pulling you down, you've got your chair's electromagnetic field pushing you up, you've got the weight of the atmosphere pushing down on you and your body's electromagnetic field pushing it up. There's a tremendous amount of forces involved in sitting still. If he could redirect all of those (the atmospheric pressure is normally spread out, but he can focus it) he could easily achieve tons of force in any situation, and if he focuses that he could do a lot of damage.

If that was too generous an interpretation, he can just lift the cage up and let it fall to break itself. He can't be hurt by falling (or the broken cage crushing him) because of the nature of his power.

For science! I don't think they really care what he's doing, they just want to see what a level 6 is like. Incidentally, I'm kind of wondering if he went psycho because they're making him kill 10,000+ middle school girls. I think anyone would have a warped perspective on things by that point. Also, please don't spoil his backstory in response to this post.