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CrowKenobi 2011-10-24 06:15

Gundam AGE - Spoilers & Speculation
 
The purpose of this thread is to allow free discussion of theories and speculation of the Gundam AGE anime series, but be warned since it may contain unmarked spoilers. Having a central location may help focus the discussion instead of spreading speculation over the various episode discussion threads.

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  • Personal theories, speculation, guesses and such. No spoiler tags required.
  • Posting magazine previews (such as from Animage). Spoiler tags required.

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GN0010 Nosferatu 2011-10-24 06:15

I found something at 4chan, there is no confirmation if true or not. But, read at your own peril.

Spoiler for story spoiler, perhaps:

LightningZERO 2011-10-24 08:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu (Post 3822832)
I found something at 4chan, there is no confirmation if true or not. But, read at your own peril.

Spoiler for story spoiler, perhaps:

That would be the worse twist ever

firefox 2011-10-24 08:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightningZERO (Post 3823010)
That would be the worse twist ever

terminator meets star trek meets gundam???

This becomes rediculous...at best...

I want a new 8th MS team series, no psycho garbadge, no mega super suits, no weird light!

Appel 2011-10-24 10:37

well that sounds rather lame... it makes no sense at all
Spoiler for UE:
and sounds rather ridiculous. but we will have to wait and see how it actually works out :T

Deacon Blues 2011-10-24 10:43

Why are we using spoilers in a spoiler topic?

You can't just hand over information like that... the concept is, in a sense, forcing the evolution of technology to evolve and adapt to threats so that when an even bigger one comes in the end, you're ready.

Also, initial posting violates said spoiler thread rules... ergo delete? LoL...

GundamFan 2011-10-24 11:01

Sounds like a really bad plot twist however given what the Zedas did in episode 3 passing up on easy clean shots on both Diva's bridge and the Age gundam it seems like it could be true.

Obelisk ze Tormentor 2011-10-24 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deacon Blues (Post 3823139)
You can't just hand over information like that... the concept is, in a sense, forcing the evolution of technology to evolve and adapt to threats so that when an even bigger one comes in the end, you're ready.

I kinda agree. It's pretty much like the story in SRW/SRT Original Generation 2. Only, in SRW OG 2, the one(s) that force the 'techno-evo' isn't from the future but from another parallel world and also from outer space. Hey, maybe the makers of AGE just played SRW OG 2 on GBA and use the idea from there. :D

So, the UE is basically some good-willed terminators :uhoh:? That's......cool. :D

casval cehack 2011-10-24 12:20

From the japanese text (via GundamGuy), Yurin was cyber newtype from the future, sent to Flit's time to punch out the ultimate coordinator/innovator.

I guess the first episode of the 2nd arc would be Asem dyeing his hair blond...if it is true. With 3 episodes aired out of 50 something, Level 5 could easily add a gundam tournament midway and render the supposed leak moot.

Kaioshin Sama 2011-10-24 13:32

So if it actually happens I assume people are going to bitch regardless of how the story actually leads up to such a point or what kind of wrinkles there are to such a scenario. I won't be tricked into following that sort of self-destructive path however, I'm going to watch this by the episode and see how the story is delivered and judge based on that. Can't really judge any sort of spoiler without seeing it potentially in action and certainly can't let it cloud ones expectations either. That would just be the worst kind of folly.

No plot twist is inherently bad, it comes down to execution and timing, gotta keep that in mind. I remember when we used to get spoilers from several episodes down the line in Code Geass, Gundam 00 and Tiger & Bunny and people would instantly start complaining about them cause there was literally no context for them based on what was happening at that point in the story and they seemed bad, silly and story ruining without the proper lead-up to bridge the gap between what was happening in the story then and what might be coming. However after seeing the actual context of the spoiler events they would usually make perfect sense and yet JUST cause the spoilers happened the way they were supposed to and JUST cause people hadn't been expecting them at the time cause they thought they were fake when they were leaked people still freaked out. One of the silliest most self-destructive to one's own enjoyment type of deals I've ever seen.

So yeah my advice would just be to watch the show and take any leaked spoilers in stride. Not worth worrying about this sort of thing.

And yeah Deacon is right, that kind of falls under the whole "Any spoiler that reveals future events, even under a spoiler tag, will be deleted." clause.

Sides 2011-10-24 13:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu (Post 3823076)
Have some spoilers stolen from ADTRW.

Major design docs for Gundam AGE were PURPORTEDLY leaked by a disgruntled Level 5 staff member to 2ch, and they contain some substantial information about the identity of the UE.

Someone inside Level-5 leaking info, I really doubt it. I know that level-5 is doing the RPG game, but i cannot see someone from that staff leaking this kind of information that could potentially damage the relationship between namco-bandai and level-5. Besides Level-5 are not an animation studio. Those are my doubts, but I could be proven wrorng.

Rising Dragon 2011-10-24 13:52

Leaks like this are not unprecedented--it happened in Code Geass at least twice and once in Gundam 00. I do find it suspicious that we got such a leak at the very start of a show...

Sides 2011-10-24 14:10

Not doubting leaks, these it happens, but form inside Level-5 does sounds fishy, considering they are not actually involved with TV series. The story is penned by Hino and they are doing the game, but I cannot see someone inside level-5 being "disgruntled" about the story or work. If the leak was from sunrise or one of the other animation studios, it would be more believable. Unless of course it was Hino himself leaking it.

DV04 2011-10-24 14:30

I guess I'm one of the few that like this idea =[

Kaioshin Sama 2011-10-24 16:56

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Originally Posted by DV04 (Post 3823415)
I guess I'm one of the few that like this idea =[

I guess I'm one of the few ones that don't really care cause I actually wait to see how things unfold in a show rather than worrying about spoilers. :uhoh:

creb 2011-10-24 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Appel (Post 3823128)
well that sounds rather lame... it makes no sense at all
Spoiler for UE:
and sounds rather ridiculous. but we will have to wait and see how it actually works out :T

Because it's more than technology. You need to harden the pansie Feddies into battle-hardened killers. :heh:

I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in the "leak", since the UE creatively pushing humanity to spur them out of peaceful ennui has been the leading theory since before the first episode started, so it'd be a prime topic for anyone who just wanted to stir things up with a fake "leak".

I would be sorely disappointed though if the UE really do turn out to be robots. One of the themes that has served Gundam well for 20+ years is having villains you often feel closer to than the actual so-called heroes. Gonna be hard to emulate if the UE are nothing but automatons.

Archon_Wing 2011-10-24 17:14

lol, are we really taking random posts from 4chan seriously? :o

It sounds like a troll from someone with a bone to pick with Age, to me.

brightman 2011-10-24 17:56

The whole idea that the UE are there to spur technological development makes sense and has been speculated before... However, that spoiler sounds like something 2ch would make up, considering how everybody there thinks that Level 5 as a whole is working on this show.

GN0010 Nosferatu 2011-10-24 18:13

I gotta be honest, time travel in Gundam....is a turn off for me. Aliens, sentient machines, whatever, is all good with me. But not time travel, it's not because I think it'd ruin Gundam, it's just I dislike the overall topic itself. Time travel is nothing but plot holes and what have you. So I'm really crossing my fingers that it doesn't come true and it's all just a big lie.

Appel 2011-10-24 18:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu (Post 3823650)
I gotta be honest, time travel in Gundam....is a turn off for me. Aliens, sentient machines, whatever, is all good with me. But not time travel, it's not because I think it'd ruin Gundam, it's just I dislike the overall topic itself. Time travel is nothing but plot holes and what have you. So I'm really crossing my fingers that it doesn't come true and it's all just a big lie.

yeah its true. time travel has been done to death and it usually introduces a TON of plot holes very easily. there are a few instances where it has been done well but i kinda doubt it in this case :P

Rising Dragon 2011-10-24 18:28

Considering the shitfit the fandom had at the mere idea of aliens, I don't think time travel would be well received. And I doubt it'll be implemented at all.

PzIVf3 2011-10-24 19:46

Any translator is excepted.


Spoiler for Spoiler Info. Ep. 6 and 7:

GN0010 Nosferatu 2011-10-24 19:53

Finally, another hot older female character.

LightningZERO 2011-10-24 19:58

Looks like we will be getting Gundam Titus or Spallow in episode 7 if the the tile "The Evolving Gundam" is any indication

Duo Maxwell 2011-10-24 20:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon (Post 3823666)
Considering the shitfit the fandom had at the mere idea of aliens, I don't think time travel would be well received. And I doubt it'll be implemented at all.

Gundam fanbase is one of the most close minded one if you ask me. Any new idea that's different from the previous entries will be dismissed and hated just because "it's not Gundam".
I actually don't mind the idea. It does remind me of Dark Cloud 2. If it's not, fine, because I'm watching AGE for what it is, not for what I want it to be. I can accept another alien in my Gundam.

About the supposed "leak", it kinda makes sense consider the UE's behavior. It's like all they are doing is sparring with AGE so the AGE builder can keep evolving with the collected data. I just wonder what's the role of Asemu, then. If the leak is true, then Kio will be the one who save the world (or at the very least, one who hold the most power in his hand for the final war).
Possibly, Yurin is either Flit's grand daughter, or shipping candidate for Kio :heh:.

[edit]
4chan actually takes this "leak" in a positive way that I couldn't imagine.

relentlessflame 2011-10-24 22:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deacon Blues (Post 3823139)
Why are we using spoilers in a spoiler topic? [...] Also, initial posting violates said spoiler thread rules... ergo delete? LoL...

Yeah, the rules in the opening post were in error. This is a Spoiler & Speculation thread so spoilers may, in fact, be discussed. (If not here, then where...? :heh: ) If it's a leak or something from magazines that reveals details of future content, then it may be nice to use spoiler tags, but you may in fact discuss any sort of spoiler in this thread (including future event spoilers).

SonicSP 2011-10-24 22:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu (Post 3823749)
Finally, another hot older female character.

I second this opinion. :heh:

GN0010 Nosferatu 2011-10-24 22:53

The one thing that confuses me about this time travel spoiler, is...if the people in the future want the past to develop stronger weapons faster...why not just have the UE leave their dead? Seems kinda counter productive to have the UE (the single most advanced creation around in present) destroy their own to stop their tech from falling into the wrong (right) hands. Why is that?

creb 2011-10-24 22:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu (Post 3823908)
The one thing that confuses me about this time travel spoiler, is...if the people in the present want the past to develop stronger weapons faster...why not just have the UE leave their dead? Seems kinda counter productive to have the UE (the single most advanced creation around in present) destroy their own to stop their tech from falling into the wrong (right) hands. Why is that?

Would I want a bunch of pansies who had everything dropped on their lap or a bunch of badasses that fought tooth and nail and survived as the champions of humanity for the future fight against the Big Bad?

Not that I'm advocating the time travel theory. I'm solidly in the camp that believes the UE are just manipulating humanity out of their peaceful stagnation though, so I guess I could jump on board a Terminator plot as well. :heh:

That said, I'd laugh my ass off if Yurin ends up being Flits great grandchild that went back in time to fix the future! :p

casval cehack 2011-10-24 23:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightningZERO (Post 3823756)
Looks like we will be getting Gundam Titus or Spallow in episode 7 if the the tile "The Evolving Gundam" is any indication

Can you translate the title for episode 6? Please.

Duo Maxwell 2011-10-25 00:34

^ Farden's Light and Shadow.

Couldn't figure out what's Farden. I only know they are going to meet that Iwak guy (the one at the bottom right image).

Quote:

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu (Post 3823908)
The one thing that confuses me about this time travel spoiler, is...if the people in the future want the past to develop stronger weapons faster...why not just have the UE leave their dead? Seems kinda counter productive to have the UE (the single most advanced creation around in present) destroy their own to stop their tech from falling into the wrong (right) hands. Why is that?

See the current state of humanity? Even if one or two colony got destroyed, people still act as if it doesn't relate to them, since it happened from somewhere faraway.

Technology isn't the only problem. There are 2 situations if they do what you suggested:

1. Humanity destroy themselves because their technology developed too fast.
2. Humanity managed to defeat the UE too soon, thus lead to another peaceful time way before the time mark where they all got destroyed. History is going to repeat itself.

According to the leak, even with their current tech, the UE still got wiped out, so they need something stronger and more advanced, but such thing shouldn't be archived way too soon. We don't know if there is another AGE builder on UE side, which continuously obtain data from AGE, to improve their technology or not. Prolong the war could lead to technology advancing from both sides, which will help the future war.

Well, if everything is just someone bullshitting, then all of my point is moot, but that's what I'm thinking regarding the "leak".

casval cehack 2011-10-25 01:16

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Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell (Post 3824004)
^ Farden's Light and Shadow.

Couldn't figure out what's Farden. I only know they are going to meet that Iwak guy (the one at the bottom right image).

Thanks. Fardain/Farden is the destination (probably a colony) of Diva mentioned near the end of episode 3. Considering the scans for the Zaku-type MS (Gala and Elmeda) and episode titles for 6 and 7, the debut of AGE-1's new form might not be against the UE at all.

GundamFan 2011-10-25 09:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell (Post 3824004)
^ Farden's Light and Shadow.

Couldn't figure out what's Farden. I only know they are going to meet that Iwak guy (the one at the bottom right image).



See the current state of humanity? Even if one or two colony got destroyed, people still act as if it doesn't relate to them, since it happened from somewhere faraway.

Technology isn't the only problem. There are 2 situations if they do what you suggested:

1. Humanity destroy themselves because their technology developed too fast.
2. Humanity managed to defeat the UE too soon, thus lead to another peaceful time way before the time mark where they all got destroyed. History is going to repeat itself.

Well I agree with your 2 situations as possibilties and I'm thinking both might be the reason they were programed to destroy there own remains plus I'm thinking they might develop better technology that way since they aren't trying to just ape something that already exists.

Quote:

According to the leak, even with their current tech, the UE still got wiped out, so they need something stronger and more advanced, but such thing shouldn't be archived way too soon. We don't know if there is another AGE builder on UE side, which continuously obtain data from AGE, to improve their technology or not. Prolong the war could lead to technology advancing from both sides, which will help the future war.
Another thing to consider is if the UEs are really from a hundred years in the future then the MS they're fielding against the Federation might be using grossly out of date technology for them.

mechalord 2011-10-25 14:43

I think the Aliens are humans who other humans forgot. Humans that developed in deep space. I'm thinking Killzone.

This is a 100 year war. Will there be major time skips every 12 episodes?

There are only supposed to be 3 protagonists over 100 years. That means the first two fight until 66 years old and then their 33 year old sons take over.

creb 2011-10-25 15:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by mechalord (Post 3824758)
I think the Aliens are humans who other humans forgot. Humans that developed in deep space. I'm thinking Killzone.

This is a 100 year war. Will there be major time skips every 12 episodes?

There are only supposed to be 3 protagonists over 100 years. That means the first two fight until 66 years old and then their 33 year old sons take over.

Well, I'm certainly curious how they are going to fit a bunch of teenage protagonists in three generations over the course of a hundred years. For now, I'm going with the theory that one (or all three) of them will be rebuilt as a cyborg; half UE, half human :heh:, and will come back wearing a mask to finish out the war 100 years later while still having his young kid pleasing chibi body. :p

JMvS 2011-10-25 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by mechalord (Post 3824758)
I think the Aliens are humans who other humans forgot. Humans that developed in deep space. I'm thinking Killzone.

This is a 100 year war. Will there be major time skips every 12 episodes?

There are only supposed to be 3 protagonists over 100 years. That means the first two fight until 66 years old and then their 33 year old sons take over.

Newtypes who left Sol long ago, and now their Interstellar War weapons have drifted back to Sol?

Plays Moon...

Key Board 2011-10-25 19:48

UE are automatons from the future

They can't destroy Diva because that's where the Age builder is

Now, you are probably asking.. what does the Age Builder have to do with UE?

Well, over the years, Age Builder and the Age system keep improving themselves to the point that it becomes sentient.

The machine eventually becomes the origin of UE

PzIVf3 2011-10-25 23:43


GN0010 Nosferatu 2011-10-26 00:05

*puffs bubble pipe*

I wonder if there two more factions rather than just one. A faction who uses the G-Exes and Shaldol, and another who uses the Zaku's.

RES-01 Perses Gundam 2011-10-26 01:29

Translating those Japanese words that I understand: :heh:

The old man with the cigar:
-Something about his profile about an "old nation". Also something about "pirates". I think the profile also says that he's "straightforward and frank"?

The guy with the yellow hair:
-His profile also mentions something about an "old nation".

The macho guy:
-He's "a man with a strong sense of justice"?

The man shown beside G-Exes:
-The biological father of some character (I think it's wolf?)

The woman beside G-Exes:
-The guy's wife? Something about her being a "beauty".


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