You have also completely missed my point--that magic amplification is dangerous to the human body even by that time with Mid-Childa technology. We saw with Nanoha that constantly using big attacks and amplifying magic is dangerous--it nearly got Nanoha killed, after all, when it slowed her reflexes. Regardless of whether or not with a wave motion gun installed on a base, cartridges pumping in more magic power, or the Blaster System making Quattro shit her jumpsuit.
Sunder the Gold
2011-09-07 20:06
How is magic amplification any different from what they're always doing, just on a smaller scale than "Device the Size of a Spacestation" with "Spacestation engine" for a cartridge system?
Rising Dragon
2011-09-07 20:08
Simple--from what we've seen, the greater the amplication, the more dangerous it becomes. Magic is something to be used in moderation; that was a hard lesson Nanoha had to learn when she was 11 or 12.
Tiresias
2011-09-07 20:17
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Originally Posted by Kaijo
(Post 3758482)
From what I recall, the only time Precia's previous job was mentioned, was the either the movie or the movie manga, where she was working on a project that was a new power source. Something about extracting extra-dimensional energy or something.
Hmmm, yeah, I think it's something like that. Still can't remember where, though... :(
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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon
(Post 3758587)
You have also completely missed my point--that magic amplification is dangerous to the human body even by that time with Mid-Childa technology. We saw with Nanoha that constantly using big attacks and amplifying magic is dangerous
you do realize this is about a mentally-unbalanced nutcase who was already dying anyway? I don't think Precia would care about the "dangers"
Rising Dragon
2011-09-07 20:19
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Originally Posted by Tiresias
(Post 3758610)
you do realize this is about a mentally-unbalanced nutcase who was already dying anyway? I don't think Precia would care about the "dangers"
Even with Precia being nuttier than squirrel poo, she wouldn't be so stupid as to kill herself before she could revive Alicia--why do you think Fate and Arf were doing most of the gruntwork?
Being insane isn't the same as being stupid.
Tiresias
2011-09-07 20:24
No, but it does risk her into having poorer grasp of her own condition - miscalculating the limits of her body.
Besides, she didn't use the super attack until half the story when she went "to hell with this!" and decided to make do with what she had, insufficient amount of Jewel Seeds be damned - these are the acts of someone desperate.
Akiyoshi
2011-09-07 20:40
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Originally Posted by Tiresias
(Post 3758616)
Besides, she didn't use the super attack until half the story when she went "to hell with this!" and decided to make do with what she had, insufficient amount of Jewel Seeds be damned - these are the acts of someone desperate.
Yup, i agree with tyhat, by that point Precia was rushing things up so she decided to eliminate opposition and run with her plan before someone try to stop her.
Keroko
2011-09-08 06:26
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Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold
(Post 3758600)
How is magic amplification any different from what they're always doing, just on a smaller scale than "Device the Size of a Spacestation" with "Spacestation engine" for a cartridge system?
Exactly what you said: The sheer amount. Mana overload is dangerous. Both Blaster and Starlight Breaker have pointed this out to us. The only time we've seen spaceship reactor powering a mage in action, it was done by a girl genetically manipulated specifically for that purpose, and even she had to be implanted with a Lost Logia for it to work.
Takamura Mamoru
2013-04-02 01:00
Not sure where else to post this, but the Movie 1st commentary track has pretty nice stuff. (☝ﾟ∀ﾟ)☝
Spoiler for Erio the pervert (waching Fate's henshin):
Caro: And right after is Fate-san's dashing equipping of her under-jacket!
Erio: Aaah! This is probably something I really shouldn't be watching!
Caro: Of course Erio-kun hasn't been doing anything like watching this frame-by-frame, right?
Erio: I haven't! I-i-i-sn't that obvious!
Spoiler for Magic colour:
Subaru: Okay, let's ask about something especially for this. Fate-san, your magic is a pretty golden colour, but what colour was Alicia's magic?
Teana: Eh,
"It's a lot like Subaru's, a sky-blue colour."
Ah, is that so.
Subaru: What was it again? Oh yeah, a while ago, there was that thing about finding out your personality based on the colour of your magic.
Teana: There wasn't any scientific basis for it, though.
Subaru: But- eh? Vivio seems to be really interested in this subject.
Teana: Well, then we'll continue this in the next track.
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Subaru: Right, we're in the next track now. We're already on track 39, wasn't that fast?
Teana: It was.
Vivio: Yep. Well then, please tell us about what the colour of your magic says about your personality.
Teana: You haven't heard about it before?
Vivio: Nope.
Teana: Oh, right, it was quite a long while ago that it got popular, so you wouldn't know about it. What about Erio and Caro?
Subaru: Looks like they know a little.
Teana: Nanoha-san and Fate-san would have been just the right age for that, right?
Subaru: Eh? Oh, wait, they spent a lot of time living on Earth, too.
Teana: But they say they've at least heard that there's something like that.
Subaru: Well then, let's get into into.
Teana: I don't really remember much of it, though...
Vivio: Excited~
Subaru: The water-blue or sky-blue of Alicia's and my own magic means positive and optimistic.
Vivio: Eh? But I think Enforcer Chrono's magic is also that sort of blue.
Subaru: Um, Enforcer Chrono's color is more of a normal sort of blue.
Teana: Really? What does that say for him then?
Subaru: People who have blue are serious and straight-laced.
Teana: It seems right. Is Ginga-san blue as well?
Subaru: Gin-see has more of a marine blue color, so between of blue and purple? Purples have a strong sense of responsibility and feel deep affection for their loved ones.
Teana: Presea-joshi is another purple, and- Oh, Nanoha-san says Reinforce does too.
Subaru: Eh? Doesn't Rein-san have white magic?
Vivio: Not commanding officer Zwei, but the first one.
Subaru: Oh, I see. It looked sort of black, but it was a sort of purple.
Teana: I've heard that reds are passionate and straightforward, and it really does seem that way.
Subaru: Right! Like with vice-captain Vita. Vice-captain Signum is a sort of purply-red, so she's both passionate and responsible.
Teana: If mixed colors are allowed, then anything goes. Oh, Caro and Fate-san look like they're enjoying this.
Subaru: Fate-san's golden color is quite rare so it's not too certain, but yellow is kind and well-mannered.
Vivio: That matches Fate-mama and Erio pretty well. What about Caro and Nanoha-mama's pink?
Subaru: Eeeh, Nanoha-san and Caro's pink color is... Um... what was it again?
Teana: It was something like 'virtuous and focused', right?
Subaru: Ah, right! Nanoha-san and Caro are virtuous and focused.
Teana: Nanoha-san's color is a little more red, so she'd also be passionate and straightforward?
Vivio: Oooh.
Subaru: It's right on!
Vivio: Then what about Tea-san and Arf-san's orange color?
Subaru: Um, empathetic and deeply emotional.
Teana: That might be right for Arf, but it's a bit off for me.
Subaru: Eh? But Tea, you're empathetic! And it's a mix of red and yellow, so you're kind and passionate and come off as a bit of an angry person.
Teana: Right, right, now you're just bending it however you feel like.
Vivio: Hey, hey, what about my rainbow colored magic? What would that be?
Subaru: Eh? E-eh, um, r-rainbow means... a bright and happy little girl!
Teana: You just made that up.
Subaru: Ehehehe... yes.
Spoiler for Yuuno the ultra badass (lmao Vivio):
Subaru: When you introduce chief Yuuno to other people, don't you say "This is my childhood friend and the person who taught me magic", right?
Nanoha: Yeah, I do.
Subaru: When you say that to people who've heard of you, they get terrified.
Nanoha: Eh? Why's that? Why?
Teana: Subaru and I felt like that too. Nanoha-san is our teacher, so-
Subaru: "The teacher of the Ace of Aces has got to be someone really amazing!"
Nanoha: A-ah...
Vivio: People who don't really know about mama and chief Yuuno would probably think of chief Yuuno as some sort of legendary figure who fires off huge Busters or Breakers and says things like "Were you surprised? That was only 20% of my full power!"
Spoiler for Fate, you shouldn't show your daughter these things:
Vivio: Ahh, Presea-san, that's horrible.
Fate: Um, Presea-okaa-san was really angry, but I think if she really felt only hate for me, then she would have done even more horrible things.
Vivio: ... More horrible things?
Fate: Um, like wounding me even more?
Erio: Didn't she hold back so Fate-san could still gather Jewel Seeds for her?
Fate: That might have been part of it, but she never gave me any wounds that couldn't be healed with first aid magic.
Spoiler for Bardiche canonically confirmed as the coolest, most awesome device:
Erio: And then one who gives Fate-san the strength to stand up once more is Fate-san's beloved device, Bardiche.
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Subaru: Bardiche is so brave and reliable.
Caro: He's quiet, but really nice.
Teana: I think his silence is one of the great things about him. Doing things through action and not words, and protecting his master as her weapon at all times.
Subaru: This scene is exactly that! He's all beat up, but he shows that he can still do it, that he can still fight-
Erio: The only thing he says is the single line, "Get set".
Spoiler for So gay I puked rainbows:
Teana: On-screen, Nanoha-san's so happy that Fate-san called her name that she's crying.
Nanoha: Well, I was really happy. Fate-chan's hand was so warm, and so was the way she smiled at me and called my name.
Subaru: Fate-san's wiping away Nanoha-san's tears. She's so kind!
Vivio: She's so cool!
Teana: Ah, Nanoha-san's hugging her.
Nanoha: I was happy that she accepted me. I still remember that warmth from when you embraced me, even now.
Vivio: Ah, Fate-mama's getting embarassed over there. Even though it's not anything to blush over!
Demi.
2013-04-02 01:30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Takamura Mamoru
(Post 4616880)
Spoiler for Fate, you shouldn't show your daughter these things:
Vivio: Ahh, Presea-san, that's horrible.
Fate: Um, Presea-okaa-san was really angry, but I think if she really felt only hate for me, then she would have done even more horrible things.
Vivio: ... More horrible things?
Fate: Um, like wounding me even more?
Erio: Didn't she hold back so Fate-san could still gather Jewel Seeds for her?
Fate: That might have been part of it, but she never gave me any wounds that couldn't be healed with first aid magic.
The lengths you go to defend that woman...
Sunder the Gold
2013-04-02 07:23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keroko
(Post 3759014)
Exactly what you said: The sheer amount. Mana overload is dangerous. Both Blaster and Starlight Breaker have pointed this out to us. The only time we've seen spaceship reactor powering a mage in action, it was done by a girl genetically manipulated specifically for that purpose, and even she had to be implanted with a Lost Logia for it to work.
That's boosting the mage directly, rather than just the spells. Devices amplify spells. Boost Devices like Keykerion and Askleipos are specifically designed to boost their user's spells rather than help crunch the numbers or auto-cast.
@soundstage stuff
Someone needs to write a fic where people meet Yuuno for the first time in a training exercise and have that exact misconception! "The Green Satan?!"
They don't cover what a green magical color means, but Shamal and Yuuno are pretty similar in character.
bhl88
2013-09-22 03:28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold
(Post 4617225)
That's boosting the mage directly, rather than just the spells. Devices amplify spells. Boost Devices like Keykerion and Askleipos are specifically designed to boost their user's spells rather than help crunch the numbers or auto-cast.
@soundstage stuff
Someone needs to write a fic where people meet Yuuno for the first time in a training exercise and have that exact misconception! "The Green Satan?!"
They don't cover what a green magical color means, but Shamal and Yuuno are pretty similar in character.
Green, calm, not strict..... different from Chrono's calmness.
