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This is the most "WTF" Guilty Crown ep. for me...

^............

I saw this coming a mile away.



This episode was glorious.

LOL....

EDIT: fixed something.

Thanks for the answer. both of you

Haven't seen it yet, but...

Okay, I'll just get this out of the way. Yes, Arisa turns into an unlikeable slut this episode. To be fair, the change isn't really unbelievable, but really, I don't like how the show did the change and the result in only one episode. Now let's get to what I thought of the episode.

I don't know why the voids breaking is that much of a big deal, nor do I know why the characters have multiple personality disorder, but who cares? The show finally does what I wanted it to do...sort of. Take that Shu, you fucking piece of shit (apologies to people who like him)!

I was thinking of rating this episode 6/10 because I wasn't enjoying it very much due to Guilty Crown's autopilot, episodic nature and bad characters, but that ending was just awesome. Plus, it sort of developed naturally, so I'll bump it up a point.

And seriously, what was up with Arisa turning into a slut anyways?

Edit: Oh and according to the episode preview, yes, Inori is still alive. And yes, Shu lost his arm permanently. I wasn't keen on Gai coming back (or a clone of his or something), but it was worth it for doing what he did to Shu. And yes, I know he used a void he grabbed from another kid to chop Shu's arm off. This show just might save itself yet!

@Freeter ,@nfsac

(I borrowed this picture from someone)

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...119/gc17-4.jpg

If it was as easy as cutting his arm off Gai should have done that from the start. He literally just took "the kings power" without hesitation.

And what a HOE the president is. Giving her body for information to start a coup that only ended up doing next to NOTHING.

Gai is obviously some kind of zombified version of himself, probably that crystal stuff being controlled like a robot as we saw his eye was completely full of shards.

Inori is slowly becoming shu's worst nightmare. They did say something about inori being a vessel or something for you know who.

That depend maybe she will be his best ally?Then again we had to see how the next ep will play out. but I agree on what you say about Gai and Arisa.

I don't think Gai could have done that from the beginning, because he still had some sentimental attachment to Shu because of their past.

Right now, I think Gai is just under the influence of the crystal like Mana, so his character has been corrupted.

Wow, what an episode.

Not sure about anyone else, but I definately felt something when I saw what happened to Shu. It's irony really. After everything he had become, everything he had built up, the leadership, the void power, becoming heartless and watching people die before him, it was those very things that he worked hard to gain that caused the rebellion and caused Shu to lose his arm and powers.

The students were definately clueless. If not for Arisa and her...ways, they would never have pulled what they did to Shu off. The rumour that she started got them in a panicky mood, then she was pretty much using the higher up bodyguards of Shu to convince them to go along with the plan. Then she pretty much led them herself. In the end, it wasn't Yahiro using Shu, it was the whole school who used Shu, and then tossed him aside when they didn't need him anymore.

The thing is, if Arisa wasn't attacked by Inori, she wouldn't have been in the state she was in this episode, meaning that the probability of her becoming desperate and whoring herself out would have been less likely, which wouldnt have started the conversation with Yahiro, which wouldn't have led to him and Shu arguing and perhaps avoiding what did happen. So, in reality, it was pretty much Inori's fault for what happened this episode.

Wish there was more action, I didn't like the still shots of the students charging, couldn't they have just animated them running? Ah well, I did like the action with Shu and the scenes of students being killed.

So just about everybody betrays Shu because of one episode of him losing to the Dark Side, which only happened because one of his closest friends died in his arms? Wow, I feel like I want to be one of those bad guy guards and mow these idiot, jackass kids down with a machinegun. Maybe come in close and shotgun the ones I really don't like, like Arisa......

He should just take Inori and run off somewhere. These @$$hats obviously don't want his help, despite them having been saved by him before, so why the hell should he care what happens to them?

Of course, then that wouldn't make him the hero. I'd bet this turns out to be the shock treatment he needs to pull out of the Dark Side and go back to being Shu the Hero, and not Shu the Dark Hero from last episode. Get himself another power, put Gai in his place, and show those idiots how they tried to screw over the good guy.

By the way, maybe I didn't pay enough attention to some parts (I couldn't stand the revolt against Shu), but where did Ayase and Tsugumi stand on this? Did they betray him too?

The major problem is that Shu, from students perspective, is nothing but a tyrant who use them like pawns.
They obviously don't know the full picture of the situation, and whilst being autoritarian was a problem they could cope sort of, the fact they learned the hard way that Voids destruction basically spell doom for them is the last straw.
This truth implies a major issue: Shu is literally "playing" with their lives, since he can potentially "shield" himself with someone's void.

Of course, that doesn't mean they would survive regardless if that was true or not. But both points are basically a huge blow for their trust towards Shu: assuming Shu was like before, they would potentially be worried but can see his "care" for them. Inversely, the tyrant side alone would be "enough" if it is to get out of there. Combining both issues regarding Shu's position? No way for them to trust him.

That said, the issue with the whole betrayal is: why after going through the wall?
If it was such a dominant problem for them to be toyed with, there would be no way for them to take part of the plan, since they would basically throw themselves to the very thing they were scared of: used as tools and dying for the tyrant's sake.
You would rather expect them to stop the plan before they could die like cannon fodder and use another way to go through (like capturing Shu after he unleashed their voids or forcing him to go first with Inori).

Eheheh Then Gai is now some sort of final Boss XD

Wanna see the epic duel when finally Gai die (really hate his character XD)

BTW The B-2 that are ready for Bombing Japan are another Trick against Gai and other?

They are in japan right NOW, then I can Think that Shuichiro use "BAD GAI" to neutralize Shu and plan to nuclearize both of them

Shu was betrayed with a kiss. One more kiss. And coitus. Multiple times.

Still better than one kiss and 30 silver coins, right, Shu?

I felt joy. Sweet sweet joy ^_^

^You ,I'm not feel that._. Even if he was like that he try best he can for them tyran mode or not. And they just use him and trow him away when they not need him anymore.

When I start to think about it wasn't Arisa supposed to take care of back room for her family?
That what her grandfather was preparing her for and she said she was ready.
(In other word to sleep with client.)

By the way, only Ayase and Inori did not betray Shu. ( Though Tsugumi force Ayase to stay inside the van.)

So I guess people missed my question? :p

Where did Ayase and Tsugumi fall on this? Did they betray Shu like the rest of the students, or did they just not know this was even coming?

Probably Tsugumi betrayed Shu (or don't say nothing about incoming "revolution". On Ayase I don't know..but Tsugumi stop Ayase when she try to exit for??? (help shu or?)

Probably not for direct loyalty, but for information that make Shu hated from all other

In other word Tsugumi betrayed him(She already know about the plan)
While Ayase didn't betrayed him (She didn't know about anything and tried to help him if not for Tsugumi stopping her )

I think perhaps Tsugumi wasn't told everything. Near the end, they all looked like they were ready to kill Shu. Would Tsugumi really agree to help or not intefere them if she knew that Shu's death would be the final part of the plan?

One thing is for sure, none of the students (Except maybe Arisa) knew that Gai and some others were going to turn up and slice Shu's arm off.

Wow, so after that b*tchy bit back during the whole infection disaster where she has the balls to blame Shu for that whole mess, now she throws him to the wolves and wouldn't let Ayase do something? Yet another character I'd like to shotgun now........

Seriously, after all the $hit this show and the writers have put Shu through, he'd better get one helluva good ending, after getting new powers and showing up everybody who screwed him. :eyebrow: The guy has one bad episode, brought about by a very traumatic moment, after more than half a series of people already screwing with him, and suddenly he's the antichrist and must be revolted against? Wow.

It looks more like Tsugumi protected Ayase as "there is nothing they can do". Inori couldn't help at the very moment the students were betraying him, so both getting out without their void ready is basically suicide.

Tsugumi = hacker, she already know everything.
(Personally I believe that all students except Inory & Ayase know about it)

It look like even Arugo know about it.

Most likely, but the fact is - she couldn't do anything anyway, and so did Aya.

At least Ayase tried.

Time for the staff to kill off more characters. :mad:

And I guess each of Shu's friends fading out in the 2nd ED, leaving only Inori, really did have meaning. If so, it'll be Inori pulling him along for a bit until he can get his bearings and he'll take the lead again.

She couldn't?
If Tsugumi told Shu = game over for students.
(Shu can solo all of them with Inori Void.)
But she already know that and that's why she stay quiet.

Edit: Don't you just love the students who said that Shu use them to get out even though he, Inori and Ayase can get out early if it's not for them?
(Shu And Inori can fly with her Void and Ayase can fly too.)

This show is trying too hard to generate tension and drama - it's like no one has compassion, loyalty, or even a brain any more. The moment Shu got people out of the red zone, BAM! total betrayal. Right after Tsugami was saved from students, BAM! she threw Shu under the bus when she found that out students had already turned against him. And 5 or 6 episodes ago when Gai just confessed how much he wanted to be like Shu, BAM! he chopped off Shu's arm the moment he re-appeared.

I bet the anime team will bring Haru back next episode and kick Shu in the nuts when he is down.

I don't know about you guys but this episode was frustrating to watch for some reason.

Game over? He wouldn't kill them and they wouldn't listen to him.
And even if he somehow managed to talk them back - would that make any difference after Gai's comeback?