New P2P on the block: Perfect Dark
 

I hear that this program is supposed to be the successor to the newly discontinued Share. Has anyone else used it? I've found it to be fast as hell and addresses many of the problems that Winny and Share shared in terms of speed and security.

I've downloaded it (not tried it yet though), however since for now all I need can be found on Share/Winny I don't personally plan embarking on a new P2P program with a smaller userbase. Who knows, maybe in a few months/years...

Feedback from v0.886 user:
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"I've got 0.886 installed. It has the tiniest font known to man, and it can't be changed, so it's impossible to see what files are listed. It also uses 99% CPU constantly, for god knows what reason, since I wasn't hashing or downloading or even searching for anything. It also copies anything you want to "upload" into a special cache directory, which wastes twices the space. And it seems to lack trigger downloads."


I haven't used Perfect Dark myself, so that's what I'm going with. Personally, I'd keep Share for now until they make more improvements on Perfect Dark.

But does it really eat 99% CPU, or is it just that guy's system?

Yeah, the font is tiny... Hopefully it'll be changeable soon, but a temporary solution is to click on the file and look at the filename at the top of the screen.

As for being a resource hog, it does use a bit more than Winny and Share, but nowhere near 99%.

'Perfect Dark'?

I'm pretty sure that infringes on a certain name copyright >_>

Hmmm...

I'll try it, but I'm betting since it's still based on old-school P2P (no leeching, no shards, etc.) it won't be as good as uTorrent.

The program developers obviously care a lot about protecting intellectual property and not infringing on copyrights, considering the program's intended usage. I'm certain the program name is unintentional and that they will change it once you notify them about this. We should get a translator to write a politely worded note and mail it to them.


(I can't tell if you're a really really good bad troll or just really really HURF BLURF)

the meaning of "joke" has obviosly been lost on fluff over the years and he now only know "troll"

Wasn't funny if it was a joke. TheFluff's post actually makes me smirk though :P.

i never said it was a good joke >_>

Then its deserved criticism :P.

BTW where is the news of Share being discontinued now?

Was Share's IP encryption hacked or something? I don't really see any point to yet another p2p program unless share's security had been breached... as far as I'm concerned Share is stable and quite usable, so unlike winny where people were scared of being arrested, I don't see why anyone would switch programs again unless Share's encryption was hacked by the government like winny's was.

Share... secure... thats a funny one. None of these P2P programs are truely secure and they all suffer from the exact same vulnerabilities. That said, Share's encryption hasn't been hacked but there are programs that can easily gather all the information without needing to break encryption. Seriously, if you are planning to switch for IP security, there is no point in switching. If you plan to switch because the program has actual security holes in it, then there is a point.

I wasn't asking because I'm scared of the Japanese police breaking down my door...

I was asking because if there was an OBVIOUS public case of the law extracting IPs to arrest people like there was with winny then that would cause people to migrate to the newer program.

But if there was no such thing I just don't see any Japanese people moving away from share in large numbers like they did with winny. When it comes to software, it seems the japanese are real sticklers for trying anything new (most raws are still DIVX, for gods sake... not to mention the extrodinary outdatedness of 2chan...)

I was asking because Starks said this
So don't ask me :P. I'm the same opinion as you Quarkboy. Not to mention Share's developer has not been sent to jail. So I don't think it's quite dead yet, and even before development and version changes were slow. So either strange jump to conclusions or some mystic information only Starks has.
I'd like to know what magical raw world you live in n_n. The one I'm in seems to be full of WMV raws...dear god, so many ;-; everywhere! Not to mention a still prevalent use of 120fps when it is absolutely not needed. Makes me cry the sad state of affairs most jpn encoders are in.

Well, for PORN, yeah, wmv is the most common for DVD rips :).

TV-cappers seem to prefer divx, however. At least on share, I see 3x more divx encodes than wmv or xvid. You see more and more x264 raws though, every day.

Not sure about Share, but on Winny WMV definitely seems to be far more popular than DivX.

I've tried PD a month ago and I find it mostly unpopulated with very little files, thus useless to the western leeching crowds. The listing font is awfully small and it can't be changed (for now). That's not really a big issue for me, but the small number of shared files is. One thing I like is that it finds results faster and isn't relying on trigger searches like in Share.
I obviously prefer Share at the current time but its memory leaks are freaking annoying. In any case, each of these programs lacks stuff. For Winny it's the security and viruses, for Share memory leaks, Perfect Dark is unpopulated and still lacking in features and design.

Oh, and if you want anonymity, just leech through a VPN network. Relakks does the trick. :D

An off topic FYI: Relakks doesn't offer VPN service. VPN is the method of connecting to Relakks servers for their proxy service, as far as I can tell from their Q&A page.

Tried it, the font size is super tiny but the cpu usage varies from 5 to 25%. I have a AMD 64 3000+.

Well don't forget they practically stick everything into AVI, so you have tons of VfW WMV stuff in AVI as well as the normal .WMV junk. But I'm quite sure if you look harder you'll see WMV caps/rips/etc outnumber anything else on both Share and Winny. And no not referring to porn here either :P.

Okay, time to bring the evidentiary beat-down...

I'm using hashdb, a winny hash database, searching for a recent episode, say, Lucky Star episode 6:

http://hashdb.com/search.php?q=%A4%E...%CF%C3&p=1&s=u

Let's count the results, shall we?

3 WMV
1 unknown (unlabled avi)
1 x264
_11_ Divx

You can repeat this for any episode of any show you want. I've been raw hunting for many years and there are MANY more divx raws (most of them crappy) than any other format, for pretty much any show, period.

Let's choose a slightly different genre, shall we?

Bokurano, ep 5:
http://hashdb.com/search.php?q=%A4%D...%CF%C3&p=1&s=u

3 Divx
1 WMV
1 x264

again, divx wins.

What are these shows with "mostly wmv" raws out there? I've never seen it.

From my experience I would say that DivX is the most common one that I see, however I only search for stuff that I need, no random searches for Naruto just for fun...

If you want counter-examples, no problem. I'll use the same site I guess.

Well, here's one example:

http://hashdb.com/search.php?q=%A5%A...%CF%C3&p=1&s=u

(ep 5 of Code Geass, choose the episode number at random.)

12 WMV
9 DivX
4 x264
2 unlabeled AVI

Well, with the uncertainty of those unlabeled AVIs, I guess you could call it a draw.


Here's another:

http://hashdb.com/search.php?q=%A4%C...%CF%C3&p=1&s=u

(ep 2 of Tokimeki Memorial (Again, took a random ep number))

8 WMV
2 DivX
1 x264


Doesn't seem worth debating over too much, it'll vary per show. Besides, aren't we kind of getting off-topic here?

Back to the matter at hand, I think that Perfect Dark is worth keeping an eye on. If the Japanese make the switch, it only makes sense for us to follow suit.

First of all...
Winny.. WinNY fails, it's old and outdated.
Share EX2 that's what im currently using for "distroing" my dvd rips, either mkv or avi oriented ones.

Half of the dvd rips of AVs (Adult Videos) either have crappy bitrate or are really fooly encoded with weird sizes of both the pixel/bitrate oriented way.

Perfect Dark, PD or EX3 as some may call it, is not gonna go up like share or winny did, due to that it's layout is pretty much "screwed up". I wont use Perfect dark, even if it reaches v1.0 the layout is just not worth it.

Sure they've exploited Share already, but hell I aint gona end up with nothing.
We release both new and old stuff on share, just like winny users does. But then again, dont expect to find any fansubs containing english anytime soon ;)

i've tried PD, i don't mind the layout, but the font size is annoying as hell. anyway, i've only managed to get one episode from it, and it was really slow (obviously). i'm gonna stick with winny and share for now

I've found the speed to comparable if not better than Share.

PD has great potential but it has quite a ways to go before it can become an adequate replacement. I look forward to version 1.0.

i've only tried it for a few anime, so i don't really know how good it really is

Tried using it for downloading some PV's. It's slow. Slower than Share and WinNY. At the moment I'd chose those two over PD.

Quarkboy: Yeah the Japanese seem to prefer these archaic god-awful BBS systems from like 1992, and I can't figure out why. There are plenty of good BBS offerings online. phpbb and Invision come to mind, among others. And then 4chan went and used the same god-awful BBS...

I am seeing a fairly significant upswing in H264 raws, which is a good thing. Even WMV9 quality isn't bad IMHO.

lol about your comment on winny...

It most certainly does not fail. What is most certainly does is fail on users who just happen to be in the wrong area and/or have a POS node list or are just plain unlucky. With an odd node list I seemingly found, it got even better when a friend of mine just dumped his 700KB+ list on me, but even before then I've found many seriously old files and even the newest files before anyone even knows they are there and so far winny has never failed me, unlike how share apparently did.

The saying now takes effect, "to each their own". We can then mash the "one man's trash is another man's treasure" saying and mix in the "sometimes you're lucky, sometimes you aint" saying.... :heh:



What I do find funny is I've had this PD for quite some weeks but just never got around to even looking at the file... :heh:

To the best of my knowledge (and I could be wrong), both Winny and Share are not compatible with Windows Vista. I'm not sure about PD's adoption rate, but in a year or two, a fair percentage of people worldwide will be using Vista and the fansub community is going to need a next-generation client to get the job done.

I don't want to have to dual-boot or run a virtual instance of XP just to get raws and neither will the Japanese.

(FYI, I have zero plans to upgrade to Vista until at least SP1.)

I must have missed the "next generation" part of PD ? What does it do special beyond the already completely usable Share, which doesn't require Japanese locale encoding?

I see no reason why Share or even WinNY would be "incompatible" with Vista either. Set up your permissions, forward your ports through whatever the horrible new firewall interface is. Magix.

In Vista, Share tries to work, but bombards you with memory leak dialog boxes. I've heard many conflicting reports about Winny (as well as Winnyp) and Vista not being very friendly. Some say it works, some say it's fickle, and others say it doesn't.

I may give this a go sometime; unfortunately I've never had the patience to perservere with winny, and Share gives me port errors ever since I had to go down the route of wireless routers and crap.

My situation is I have a Linksys ADSL 2 modem, which has router like software (it has port forwarding and stuff you commonly get in a router), and this modem is hooked into a WRT54GL which is a wireless router, also with port forwarding and stuff. Normal port forwarding I could probably get on with, but I'm confused. The router is 192.168.1.1 and the modem is 192.168.2.1

You may not notice it, but PD is starting to gain momentum on 2ch's Download threads. Last I heard, there was a hash cataloging site in the works.

On a tangentally related note: steroz is down! (The place I get my nodes from)

must...have...nodes...vital...lifeforce...ebbing.. .

Does anyone here have any good node-listing sites? My nodes are about a month old now, and with steroz down...

Not sure if it's allowed to post those sites here. Anyway, check your PM >_>;.

(Onniguru, I use peerto and xrea for nodes)

Does anyone else find it cool how PD automagically updates itself?

Share works perfectly fine in Vista.