I think a major mistake was done with not upgrading Naruto a little bit more after 3 years of training with Jiraya. We see many characters in the show maturing but Naruto is so slow in the development stages it just is too much.
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---------------------------- anyway on topic @chojinlocke: i dont think hes that immature, hes just dumb. if he learns alot of good sage magic from the frogs then he'll be like jiraiya, cause that guy jiraiya was goofy too. |
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you guys were even funnier than than rurik vs. vindi89. and on multiple threads, wow.
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Sadly as opposed to previous encounters I've had, I ended up having to repeat myself to fend off the same attack multiple times. Also, my opposition seemed hell-bent on trying to degrade and discredit me by using the "hater" defense while providing nothing new in return. It ended all pretty lame imo. |
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I mean look at it this way, what the heck happened to our long awaited Team 7 and Team 8 interactions? Nothing, it cut straight from the scene with Tobi to Naruto thinking about his memories about Itachi. So much wasted potential that was Kiba, Hinata and Shino. I don't quite understand though... pre-timeskip Kishi was able to mesh ALL the characters really well together to give each a little development. Actually, even at the start of post-timeskip Kishi managed to involve Team 10 in the Kakuzu Hidan arc really well... but right now he's one-track minded and really its showing through. |
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Im gonna say the same thing that i said about why i disliked orihime about naruto the fact that he has such potential but doesnt use it is why i think its wasted on him
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New to the thread, so my post is gonna go long. You've been warned.
I think Naruto is the only character with a blank slate as far as character development. No parents, no friends, no defining traits, he starts off with less information than WE do. Changes to his personality are slow, and brought on by a multitude of peers. Now, take Neji. Neji is awesome, that's just a fact, but at the outset his preconceptions would cloud our view of Konoha. He would never have bothered even talking to the majority of the characters, until Naruto messes with his head in the exams. Which is another thing: virtually all change in the supporting cast is brought about by Naruto, because he's the only one who makes an effort to change others. Naruto and Lee are virtually the same character, but can you imagine Lee making an impact on Neji's philosophy? Neji is too static a character to evolve. And he's already a genius. He loses the underdog factor. Lee and Kiba would be cool, but their personalities aren't something you can base a series on. It'd be ridiculous. (But I'd watch it. ^^) Sakura would make it a love story, Shikamaru would make it a little deathnote-ish (a stretch, but you can't have a character that smart in anime like Naruto), any adults would have the Neji problem, Hinata would work, but she'd have to be more assertive or she'd never advance the plot, Lord knows what Sasuke would do with a series, and most others either don't have enough defining characteristics (sorry, Ten Ten. We still love you.) or are entirely too messed up (Gaara would kill the cast. All of it.) to be central characters. Naruto is someone we can relate to at the start, and figure out by the end. |
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For shame Kishimoto :). |
I do think that Naruto was pretty much wasted throughout the series. As far as I can remember, I only saw Naruto actually learn 3 jutsu throughout the course of the series, being the Shadow Clones, Summoning, and the Rasengaan respectively. I'm sure he's learned a few more by now, but I don't read the manga, and I've seen very little of Part II, so I'm not up-to-date.
Anyway, it just seemed that in every major fight Naruto was in, he always won by just the skin of his teeth, and throughout the series, he never really seemed to show any signs of improvement. So, from what I've seen of the Part II anime, he's older, but as far as I can tell, exactly the same, when damn near everyone else is stronger, has more jutsu, and are now Naruto's superiors. I'd say there was a lot of potential wasted for Naruto throughout the series. |
I think the issue alot of us have is the "underdog" theme that constanntly runs in the manga and anime. (I struggle with it myself) Naruto is an absolute failure, with zero talent and a monster ravaging his soul. He is NOT supposed to be learning several new jutsu, as much as we'd love him to, because the guy is a moron. The only thing that redeems him is moral high standing which constantly occurs in Shounen manga and the Kyuubi. Next time we look at Naruto, we have to look at him in a slightly less critical light. A friend of mine said once that when dealing with Naruto, we have to constantly see the glass as "half full" instead of "half empty"
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Coupled with the enemies Naruto has fought and beaten, I doubt there is anyone in the series that can boast to the claims that he has achieved. Naruto is not wasted on Naruto because the main character is fulfilling his purpose and giving the message that Kishi wants portrayed, you don't have to be the best to be succesful, you can be a failure and still do well. |
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This isn't the case with this show because it has a huge eastern outlook on the world. In which it isn't about you or me. IT's about the collective. Konoha is the collective, and it's a village of people that have lives, and have back stories, and are interesting. This also relates to naruto as he contributes to their lives as the contribute to his. Which is actually why the anime and the manga spends a lot of time with support characters because they have to be strong in order to even keep the show's theme alive which you always notice is "what is best for konoha." Or "what is best for fire country." Other themes include "the benefit of having the support of friends and family." So yea it has a very non western theme to it. Because trust me a western theme to it would be somewhere a long the lines of how naruto develops when he interacts with other people. That's it. ITs focussed on him even the support characters would focus on him. But as naruto stands right now it isn't from a westerner's perspective. |
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In my opinion Naruto is a genius who was nipped because of neglect. Look at what he acomplishes when people spend some attention to him, he mastered the Rasengan in a time shorter then the far more experienced Jiraiya did, a sannin. He mastered a forbidden technique, the Kage Bunshin, in a matter of hours, even though he sucked at Bunshin. |
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