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Solace 2010-07-01 11:36

Claymore Chapter 105
 
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Ryus 2010-07-01 11:42

Moving spoilers from 104 thread to 105 thread

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Originally Posted by Weils (Post 3115719)
Chapter 105 spoilers:

Spoiler for spoilers:

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Originally Posted by Weils (Post 3115863)
Some plot points in this chapter:
Spoiler for chapter 105 spoilers:

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Originally Posted by Ryus (Post 3115989)
Damn seems to be tons of important dialog in this chapter... How long until the English Scan?

BTW:
Spoiler for 105:


Shiek927 2010-07-01 11:43

Honestly, I'm beginning to share MisterJB's belief that that the one on the far left is Ophelia. It does look like her in her Awakened form.

I think; all 3 of them, are ones who wanted to have revenge on Priscilla: Teresa never had those feelings for her, so it make sense she isn't there.

All three of them look like they are trying to scare her.

Ryus 2010-07-01 11:45

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Originally Posted by Shiek927 (Post 3116064)
Honestly, I'm beginning to share MisterJB's belief that that the one on the far left is Ophelia. It does look like her in her Awakened form.

I think; all 3 of them, are ones who wanted to have revenge on Priscilla: Teresa never had those feelings for her, so it make sense she isn't there.

All three of them look like they are trying to scare her.

Now that is an interesting thought... I guess Irene was too scared to show up though. :p

Shiek927 2010-07-01 11:47

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Originally Posted by Ryus (Post 3116067)
Now that is an interesting thought... I guess Irene was too scared to show up though. :p

:heh: :heh: :heh:

Okay, crazy thought coming here, but I think the one in the middle.....is Dauf.

The face honestly has too short of hair to be anyone I can think of that would want to take revenge on Priscilla, and he honestly tried by infecting himself.

Ryus 2010-07-01 11:52

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Originally Posted by Shiek927 (Post 3116069)
:heh: :heh: :heh:

Okay, crazy thought coming here, but I think the one in the middle.....is Dauf.

The face honestly has too short of hair to be anyone I can think of that would want to take revenge on Priscilla, and he honestly tried by infecting himself.

http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/v...r/fishslap.gif It's clearly a face with long hair in Teresa style. Dauf has Short hair, so it can't be him and also Clare doesn't know he's dead.

Shiek927 2010-07-01 11:59

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Originally Posted by Ryus (Post 3116082)
http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/v...r/fishslap.gif It's clearly a face with long hair in Teresa style. Dauf has Short hair, so it can't be him and also Clare doesn't know he's dead.

The one in the middle looks bald to me...I barely see any hair on him/her at all.

(though I think I KIND OF see what you're talking about...goes against my theory though. Teresa never wanted revenge on Priscilla, and neither was it the other way around).

Ryus 2010-07-01 12:00

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Originally Posted by Shiek927 (Post 3116088)
The one in the middle looks bald to me...I barely see any hair on him/her at all.

(though I think I KIND OF see what you're talking about...goes against my theory though. Teresa never wanted revenge on Priscilla, and neither was it the other way around).

The fact is these aren't them... but Clare's manifestations of who she is fighting for. So Ophelia, Teresa, and Clare makes huge sense. :D

Shiek927 2010-07-01 12:06

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Originally Posted by Ryus (Post 3116090)
The fact is these aren't them... but Clare's manifestations of who she is fighting for. So Ophelia, Teresa, and Clare makes huge sense. :D

Huh...well, that's an interesting theory :p

Except, it gives Claire too much emphasis. All three of the faces feel like they are sharing the moment, not just her and who she's fighting for.

(though Claire does have the most detail...)

It does have sense though; Teresa wouldn't want to Claire to fight for her sake, nor did she want her too: she wanted her to have a normal human life, so Teresa being there means it has to be part of Claire's doing, because Claire thinks she's doing the right thing.

She also wanted to avenge Ophelia who went insane because of her brother's death.

Newhope 2010-07-01 12:07

Well that confirms it I pretty knew Claire was going to be absorbed into the destoryer. That destoryer is going to be pretty over the top now it's got parts of three number ones a number 2 and a number 4 if that can't put up a fight against Priscilla I don't what can.

Shiek927 2010-07-01 12:12

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Originally Posted by Newhope (Post 3116102)
Well that confirms it I pretty knew Claire was going to be absorbed into the destoryer. That destoryer is going to be pretty over the top now it's got parts of three number ones a number 2 and a number 4 if that can't put up a fight against Priscilla I don't what can.

What may end up sealing the deal Newhope, is the whole "Teresa-blackbox" thing. Now, assuming their really is such a thing inside Claire......it really doesn't matter that Claire only has 1/4 of Teresa, or whether or not Teresa or Priscilla were stronger then the other...if a part of Teresa's potential combines with Raciella who has, at the very least, 2xAO...

a 2xA0 combining with a piece of the potential of a warrior, who was most likely somewhere between 3-4xAO(alongside Priscilla, who I also believes shares that power)... then yes, the likelihood of their being an equal match is now. Of course, that's IF their is such a thing within Claire, and that's a big If.

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Originally Posted by Awakened (Post 3116100)
Tracker Dietrich is a spy, no explanation on how she was able to control the Af's. For how long will she keep using the excuse that she has to pay Helen and Deneven back? She has saved 4 ghost already.

I think we were supposed to forget about that and move on, regardless of how inconsistant it is. :heh:.

Apparantely, she controlled the AE's with a piece of Riful's dress...how then, they didn't slaughter her on the spot, is beyond me. Yagi me yet though come back, and try to explain it better later on.

Ryus 2010-07-01 12:15

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Originally Posted by Newhope (Post 3116102)
Well that confirms it I pretty knew Claire was going to be absorbed into the destoryer. That destoryer is going to be pretty over the top now it's got parts of three number ones a number 2 and a number 4 if that can't put up a fight against Priscilla I don't what can.

I think about half of use believed that for almost 3 chapters now... :heh: and a few of us a few chapters before that :eyespin:

I know I for one have been believing Clare and Raphaela would help each other out since the first time I read ch 64. Exactly how has been ever changing so I don't recall what I believed at exactly what point. Needless to say I can't wait to see how this plays out :D

Newhope 2010-07-01 12:22

I don't think Claire been just 1/4 Yoma will make much difference Teresa's genetic information will be there so I doubt it'd be that hard for the destoryer to merge it with it's own.

As for Dietrich I still think she's got her own agenda and is playing the field to keep her options open, to be honest I think shes going to be heavily involved in the DnD plot she's just had to much panel time not to be a major character now.

Ryus 2010-07-01 12:24

Oh yeah... It's Clare, Teresa, and Ophelia (right to left)... Check out the colored page


Shiek927 2010-07-01 12:26

I find it strangely satfisying that Teresa has the smallest part of them all XDXD. You can barely tell it's her :heh:.

MisterJB 2010-07-01 12:29

How can you guys see Teresa in there? To me, it just looks like a...a face. It doesn't even have hair.

Shiek927 2010-07-01 12:32

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Originally Posted by MisterJB (Post 3116141)
How can you guys see Teresa in there? To me, it just looks like a...a face. It doesn't even have hair.

Roflmao, I thought it was Dauf!!! It looks bald to me.

You can, if you look at it the right way, see a very few wavy hairs....it's a BIG stretch, but I can sort of see what people are seeing :heh:.

Ryus 2010-07-01 12:34

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Originally Posted by MisterJB (Post 3116141)
How can you guys see Teresa in there? To me, it just looks like a...a face. It doesn't even have hair.

It's Teresa and yes she does to have hair... I just made it easier to see...


haegar 2010-07-01 12:34

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Originally Posted by Shiek927 (Post 3116133)
I find it strangely satfisying that Teresa has the smallest part of them all XDXD. You can barely tell it's her :heh:.


wouldn't be surprised if she starts growin on us ^^

damn...they ARE fast with the colorings.

looks like decent chapter, even though many predicted clare being absorbed, think yagi does not HAVE to surpise us everytime. I'm very happy with Dietrich showing some backbone :) And am very thankfull that yagi provided a medic for H&D :heh:

Newhope 2010-07-01 12:36

Can't really tell with the middle one the right is definitely Claire and the left looks vaguely like Ophelia but it's not clear enough to be certain.

Shiek927 2010-07-01 12:40

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Originally Posted by haegar (Post 3116153)
wouldn't be surprised if she starts growin on us ^^

damn...they ARE fast with the colorings.

looks like decent chapter, even though many predicted clare being absorbed, think yagi does not HAVE to surpise us everytime. I'm very happy with Dietrich showing some backbone :) And am very thankfull that yagi provided a medic for H&D :heh:

The medic was supposed to be Cynthia, but I think she may have found some competition :heh:.

MisterJB 2010-07-01 12:43

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Originally Posted by Ryus (Post 3116152)
Yes it does... I just made it easier to see...


That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think? What you painted yellow, to me it just seems the side of it's face in the original picture.

Sleepy Speculator 2010-07-01 12:45

is everyone certain that's Ophelia on the left and not Ilena, as Clare would technically be carrying Ilena and Teresa...?

limao 2010-07-01 12:47

Oh...that pic looks like a net and a moskito :D

Ryus 2010-07-01 12:49

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Originally Posted by MisterJB (Post 3116166)
That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think? What you painted yellow, to me it just seems the side of it's face in the original picture.


Then who is it? I didn't change any details of it, only added a layer of color.

It has the hair style Teresa did. Sure it may be in the background and therefore less detailed but it is still clear enough of who it represents.

Come on man, this isn't the face on mars but something purposely drawn. It has a reason for being there and its hair style is damn close to Teresa's. Then thrown in Clare and a likely Ophelia and the panel has deep meaning.

Tom Bombadil 2010-07-01 12:49

I doubt those images have anything to do with past characters. It more like wishful thinking on the reader's part.

Although I am happy that we are building up to a big fight. But it is clear that both the transformed Clare and Priscilla will be leagues ahead of the ghosts or fighters from the organization. What does the author has in plan for them?

Ryus 2010-07-01 12:52

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Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil (Post 3116180)
I doubt those images have anything to do with past characters. It more like wishful thinking on the reader's part.

Then why isn't The Destroyer a blob of hideous faces like last chapter but now each is unique with there own style (and not so hideous) just after Clare merged with it?

Not sure if this has meaning but they're even behind Priscilla... as if her past is catching up to her.

Newhope 2010-07-01 12:54

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Originally Posted by Sleepy Speculator (Post 3116172)
is everyone certain that's Ophelia on the left and not Ilena, as Clare would technically be carrying Ilena and Teresa...?

I'd make more sense if it was Ilena and Teresa because there's parts of them are physically there, however the one of the lefts face is far to round to be Ilena her face was alot thinner and had a really sharp chin.

limao 2010-07-01 12:55

Buh...i really hate this kind of plot..i want pieta back :p

Nixl 2010-07-01 12:58

Damn Deneve will just not die.

I really like the lay out of the three monstrous heads behind Priscilla. It shows the past is catching up with her.

While it would be interesting if the heads started to show T, Irene, and Ophelia, I hope that they do not actually show up.

Limao you do not like it? That is too bad. I am definitely loving these last few arcs. I am just glad Yagi did not repeat hidden hax/powerlevels as he did with Claire vs Rigardo. The Destroyer is going to fuel this fight with Claire at the helm.

Edit: Since it seems like everyone is watching on the sidelines does this actually mean that there is a slight chance everyone could make it out alive? (well except Priscilla)

Ryus 2010-07-01 13:01

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Originally Posted by Newhope (Post 3116191)
I'd make more sense if it was Ilena and Teresa because there's parts of them physically there, however the one of the lefts face is far to round to be Ilena her face was alot thinner and had a really sharp chin.

:confused: Why? Clare isn't carrying Irene to fight for her against Priscilla. She's carrying her since Irene wanted to help Clare and it was Clare's only way to survive.

Against Priscilla Irene's soul doesn't carry he more weight of Ophelia's or Teresa's... Irene is in the same grouping as Flora and Jean.

Shiek927 2010-07-01 13:15

Either the faces are all those who wanted to seek revenge against Priscilla, or are those who Claire wanted to avenge against her.

What Ryus said(the latter), seems the most logical if Teresa really is in the middle.

I simply can't believe that the faces are just random scary faces, that's so...stupid.

Newhope 2010-07-01 13:15

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Originally Posted by Ryus (Post 3116201)
:confused: Why? Clare isn't carrying Irene to fight for her against Priscilla. She's carrying her since Irene wanted to help Clare and it was Clare's only way to survive.

Against Priscilla Irene's soul carries no more weight than Ophelia's or Teresa's... Irene is in the same grouping as Flora and Jean.

It'd make more sense if it was them although i'am not saying it is, with clare carrying parts of Illena and Teresa it's not that much of a stretch of the imagination to think that the destoryer simply copyed there genetic's and reproduced it.

With Ophelia however things would get weird because the only none idiotic way I can think that Ophelia can be there is the destoryer reading Claire's mind and reproducing what it see's.

Shiek927 2010-07-01 13:32

Looking back at 104, I honestly kind of see an AE in the Jelly-Raciella as well, which Rafaela no doubt knew about...one of them sort of also looks like Isley which would make sense as Luciella knew him.

All the faces we see HAVE to have some sort of meaning.

Newhope 2010-07-01 13:36

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Originally Posted by Shiek927 (Post 3116253)
Looking back at 104, I honestly kind of see an AE in the Jelly-Raciella as well, which Rafaela no doubt knew about...one of them sort of also looks like Isley which would make sense as Luciella knew him.

All the faces we see HAVE to have some sort of meaning.

And Luciella eat parts of Isley so it's not that hard to think part of him been there.

MisterJB 2010-07-01 13:40

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Originally Posted by Ryus (Post 3116178)
It has the hair style Teresa did.

The problem is that I don't see any hairstyle there. Not Teresa's, not Irene's or anyone else's. To me that just looks like a bald head whose face you painted to make it look like it has hair.
I just don't see Teresa anywhere in there. Also, do you really think that this is the way Yagi would reintroduce Teresa to the history? As an hideous, giant face who is even smaller than Ophelia's?

Ryus 2010-07-01 13:51

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Originally Posted by MisterJB (Post 3116265)
The problem is that I don't see any hairstyle there. Not Teresa's, not Irene's or anyone else's. To me that just looks like a bald head whose face you painted to make it look like it has hair.
I just don't see Teresa anywhere in there. Also, do you really think that this is the way Yagi would reintroduce Teresa to the history? As an hideous, giant face who is even smaller than Ophelia's?

Then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Since from my point of view I do see Teresa's hair style there. So, yes, Yagi would do it since he just did :heh:. BTW I don't see this as Teresa but Clare's rage manifested in the form of those she's fighting for. So Teresa isn't be reintroduced into the story and it's ugly since this is Clare's rage manifesting from The Destroyer herself. Personally I see the closeness to Clare as more important than the size. :eyespin:

MichaelAngelo 2010-07-01 14:37

The destroyer is slowly gaining reflections from Claire's mind as part of the merging process. Teresa being there (I believe she is the middle form) just portrays that she had Teresa's soul in her all along. Ophelia's form too supports the idea Claire wanted to avenge her. Claire being there affirms that all her life she had wanted to avenge Teresa and herself; she felt sorrow after Teresa's death, the sorrow turned to revenge. She is avenging herself, Teresa and Ophelia, and this feeling of vengeance is shown to mark the beginning of an epic battle.

Rennir 2010-07-01 15:00

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Originally Posted by Ryus (Post 3116290)
Then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Since from my point of view I do see Teresa's hair style there. So, yes, Yagi would do it since he just did :heh:. BTW I don't see this as Teresa but Clare's rage manifested in the form of those she's fighting for. So Teresa isn't be reintroduced into the story and it's ugly since this is Clare's rage manifesting from The Destroyer herself. Personally I see the closeness to Clare as more important than the size. :eyespin:

I have to agree with Ryus. After looking at it for a bit, the hairstyle is very similar to Teresa's.
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MisterJB 2010-07-01 15:47

Wait...I think I'm seeing it. Yes, I see what you mean. That thing has hair.

However, I think there is a high chance that's Irene, especially if the figure on the left is Ophelia.


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