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Its only if an operation requires *specialists* then they get specific personnal to achieve that military's goals. But you can train any trooper/pilot to fight a head on, up in your face fights. Regardless.. What happened to the green coats being co-ordinators? They are supposed to have faster reflexes, quicker learning skills.. you know the better than the naturals. What happened to their supposingly superior skills? Well i didnt see any :( Quote:
But regardless i didnt see much skill in grunts generally and yes there were a few occasions where grunts did have skills but it doesnt explain what happened to the rest of the 99%. But i think ive explained my views and dont need to go further. But this is my opinion, you can agree to disagree with me :) |
In SEED, anything new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated models, whether MS or Gundams...
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I also watched Zeta, and for most of the time, the main protagonist Gundam always gets grunt owned in some way or other. It was done in a way that said the reason why the protagonist lost = the plot called for it, so that he could become invincible later. The CE Gundams...:twitch: |
I agree in that Gundams in the later episodes of Destiny are rediculously overpowered. The grunt pilots might as well just sit back and watch the main characters duel it out, otherwise they're dead.
As or the overpowered Gundams in Wing, I think that's because of such a large technology gap between the Gundams and OZ suits. At first, the 5 Gundam scientists made Wing Zero, which was way, WAY too powerful. So, they dumb it down to the Tallgeese, which is still way too expensive and unsafe for the average schmuck pilot. Then, it's dumbed down even more into the Leo, which we all know could be taken down with a slingshot. It's basically taking a Ferrari and downgrading it to a Pinto. That, combined with the Zero technology which was advanced over 20 years to the start of the series, compared to the Leo which didn't advance at all, and you've got 5 suits which will kill anything and everything in their sights. I personally like the idea of the Gundam being just another unit in a grander military force. Sure, it's better, but just by enough to get the main character through the story alive. The battles which put the character's life in serious danger make for a more compelling fight, and a more memorable one. The last few fights in 08th MS Team are a great example of this. A lot of it is one on one, but the battle is so desperate, so close to the wire that either pilot could win. Shiro doesn't just turn on his God Mode cheat to destroy every enemy on the field, he honestly struggles, and just barely manages to pull through. I'll take a fight like that over a clearly one sided Destiny battle anyday, though, that's just my opinion... |
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Yet Again, here are my power tiers for the CE and AW:
Main Character In Gundam>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Main Character In MS>Side Character In Gundam>>>>Side Character In MS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No Name In MS (Unless we mean Trowa) |
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are u serious....u r comparing OUR space with GUNDAM's space?? am i reading this right? How many episode have u seen random shipwreck floating around in space? its everywhere....have u forgotten about how Judo surprised haman in ZZ? hiding behind a rock! U cant use real life logic to anime, it will never make sense, i thought that was the golden rule of anime >_> back to the topic, godly gundams are unneeded in gundam, the reason we love gundam for the closeness to realistic war situation in space, not some superobot that can take 1000 by himself >_> |
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Now, in reality, I don't know how many asteroids there are around the Earth, and it's Lagrange Points, but I do know that around the Earth itself, there are thousands of natual and artificial sattelites orbiting the planet, which could mean that debris from Gundam-style battles could fall into Earth's gravitational pull, and could gather in this area of space junk, making a huge debris field with ample cover for a resourceful MS pilot. |
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"What can make this battle more interesting...?" "Well, what if he flies behind a big rock, and does a surprise attack?" "... Yeah, sure, just have him fly behind a big rock." They're just there because they're there. |
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And let's not forget that the standard of the main character squashing lots of line units began when a certain pilot killed "nine Rick Doms in five minutes". :) Quote:
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4Tran, the requiem never fired again after Djibril fired it. That was the Neo-Genesis that took out the EA ships.
As for overpowered vs. not, I beg to differ about GW's...in the battle of Sanc Kingdom, Heero's wing gets pretty beat up by the virgos IIRC until he exchanged it for Epyon. Also, most of the GW gundams were not that great. Wing only had 3 shots until it was another saber and gun bot, deathscythe just had scythe and guns, heavyarms when it was done spamming was a sitting duck, and wufei's/quatre's gundams were so ridiculously inefficient against masses of units. Frankly, if it wasn't for Zechs in Epyon taking down Barge in one slice or the Wing Zero (and this is the real culprit) just obliterating everything no matter who piloted it, we wouldn't remember the Wing Gundams as the overpowered monsters they were. And for the record, in EW, all the gundams except the Altron were pretty roughed up, although the Wing Zero for no good reasons (stupid Heero decided to spare Wufei instead of obliterating him). In SEED, the gundams also were not invincible: In the battle of Orb, despite having Freedom AND Justice, there were simply too many grunts to hold off. The Chaos gundam got shot down by THREE grunts. And those nine grunts at the battle of Heaven's Base did quite a number on the ZAFT forces before Shinn cut them down quite nicely. And it isn't so much the freedom gundam is overpowered as it is the goddess powering it. Compare the amount of Lacus Dust coming from Freedom in episode 13, 23, 26, 28, 32, 34, 39, 43, 49, and 50. When Freedom is out of Lacus Dust, it's not that amazing. Oh, and for the record, the Freedom lacks one really important Superweapon: A wing-zero type cannon of the apocalypse. |
Nah, his beams of smiting fufills the word of the pink princess...
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Well, I'll agree that the Gundams in the more recent shows tend to be godlier than their ancestors. From what I see, SEED tends to have godlier Gundams and mobile suits than Wing. The only thing Wing seems to have in comparison is the beam rifles.
But, that's not what I'm posting about. SEED obviously have had some scenes where it showed some sensibility and fairness. I believe Wing had it's moments as well. One of those scenes were when they were tricked into killing the pacifist leaders. They were overwhelmed and they had to retreat in the process. There were other times where the soldiers showed some competence and the main characters would reach their limits and struggle, but just like the other Gundam shows, it didn't happen as much for entertainment purposes. |
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First of all, AC Gundams have unlimited power. That's a bit godly to begin with since CE Gundams are limited in the duration that they can fight. Secondly, AC Gundams are made of Gundanium alloy, which the pilots use to just sit there, tank enemy fire, and laugh back at them. At least, the CE Gundam pilots are forced to dodge each shot to avoid lose parts of their Gundam. |
The very idea of numerous gundams all having mass destructing weapons is unrealistic, fake and too "super robot-ish".
And gundams shouldn't fly unless they transform into MA (Psyco) or wave fighter like Zeta. I don't see why they don't make new series on realistic gundams anymore. More of my rants... |
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Admittedly, the only Gundam series I've seen has been Gundam Seed (and I'm midway through Destiny). While I wouldn't say that Seed involved a lot of "wow, that's so clever" moments (if it had any at all), it certainly achieved the escalation-of-power status that Naruto and countless other anime series fell into. Even though I'd prefer it if we could watch something where scenarios played out with relatively even power and innovative tactics rather than just one side overpowering another with newer technology, it's still relatively enjoyable to watch. |
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