Danganronpa - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll
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I'll cry here first before watching the episode
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Look like Case 4 Class Trial get the Best adaptation award.
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Didn't expect them to cut out the full latter half of the investigation though. And I would prefer showing some more of the next chapter for a much better climax. |
I can't say I'm fine saying so, but they literally didn't try for the investigation, lasting 45 seconds top... I guess it doesn't even matter to them anymore, since they kept the OP twice a row for the trial eps.
But really, the directing is getting worse over the episodes, with even the soundtrack used in a very odd fashion (Discussion -HEAT UP- used right from the get go just doesn't work great as an intro BGM...). But I think the adaptation was at its worst for the trial... although it wasn't too shabby for the feelings right there. But suffice to say, the trial rolled in a -complete different fashion-. Spoiler for Missing Parts:
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^ To me this is the best effort put in to display the emotions of the characters. Although they should emphasize a lot more of how Naegi and gang treat Alter Ego as one of their own, to make his loss feels sadder. Also, switching into the ED and going onto the next chapter immediately after his execution makes his death a little forgettable in my opinion
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I will admit they did a good job with Aoi's outburst (Saito's performance is once again tremendously powerful) along with Makoto's reactions to it. However, they really failed hard with AE's execution aftermath, making people rather apathetic towards it, especially Makoto who was supposed to be downright pissed off.
But frankly, I don't see the point of the investigations at all, if not only they skip some relevant clues, but also ignore the ones they presented in the anime. I mean, what was the point in showing the glass bottle and the magazine if they weren't used -at all-? Seriously, it begs the question why there is an investigation with obvious "CLUE GET!" if they aren't even used. You know what's even funnier? The fact not only they kept with the door lock nonsense, but the lock in episode 9 is ABOVE the doorknob. However, in episode 8, it was BELOW the doorknob. Quality check isn't their forte at all, and while it is obvious with the general quality of the series, messing with their own extra detail by themselves is silly at best. |
Yes, I facepalmed when they still insists that the door is locked while showing that scene with the door. I would rather prefer they retcon it, showing us they admit to their mistakes (few of the Japanese community wrote to the production company about it). Making the door locked and not punishing Naegi either makes the new rule useless or showing that Monokuma did not adhere to his own rules. I am suspecting that this is ONCE again the same move they used as the toolkits to make the later plots more acceptable.
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About the lock, you can just say that:
1. Monobear specially allows it because students have to break into the room for investigation. 2. Monobear only prohibits them from breaking the lock of a room/an area that he doesn't intend to let anyone go in. Therefore, in Sakura case, the room that Sakura is in was already unlocked by Monobear earier when the new floor open so breaking the lock made by Sakura is no problem here. |
1. That would have make sense if Monokuma made an announcement, which he didn't. The game also insist that Monokuma is really hardass on his rules, unless you find a loophole.
2. No, it doesn't work this way either, otherwise Monokuma would have specified his rules. Otherwise, he would have stated "no one can break a door -I- locked" and so forth. Adding the lock was completely unecessary, period. Because of that, and the fact they made Monokuma talk to them through the monitor all the frigging time aside of the trials and incentives, it makes Monokuma incredibly passive and lenient. |
The door knob stuff is a bit tricky.
First off the lock shouldn't have been there. The game clearly states that the room has no lock. It also defeats the purpose of the lock Oogami created. As for the rule break you can explain it with the loophole this rule left: Thee rule only prohibits you from destroying the door. So you can get several loopholes out of it: - It is not forbidden to bypass the lock - It is not forbidden to damage the door as long as it is not destroyed - The door's window is not counted as part of it and can thus get destroyed. Either way the door was never really destroyed or broken down. In fact he damaged the window to be able to open the lock that should not have been there in the first place. Admittingly pure speculation, though the only way to justify that lock :rolleyes: |
This was a really emotionally well done episode with good amounts of twists and turns that come right at you at interesting ways. Monokuma inadvertently setting up Aoi to nearly kill herself along with the rest of her peers was a "expected" twist in itself due to the fact that she was in a state of grief and sorrow that allowed him to take advantage of her, and in a sense, the whole situation. It's to be expected how he possibly knew of Alter Ego's existence and the role he played, but is there more that he knew, but chose not to disclose it. Who knows, the guy's a troll, but he doesn't really give big info away as long as it suits his interests.
I was displeased with how Alter Ego's execution aftermath. I mean, I was literally crushed when it happened because he's been such a great help despite his short comings. I was expecting Makoto to be really affected by it because he was greatly concerned for his safety, and they promised to leave the academy together. Too bad it won't happen, but I wonder how his death will affect and push him into the direction he needs to go. I wonder where Kirigiri went while Makoto went to check out the Data Processing Room? The fact that she showed up when Monokuma was question him, made me think "Why isn't he also asking Kyoko where she went?" Made me think, was Makoto used as a blindspot of sorts to check when or how he shows up at times when it's strangely convenient. So there are a total of 16 students now - Mukuro Ikusaba. So all we know is that person is a "Super High School Level Despair", but I wonder if there are other ways to identify the mystery student that moniker that defines that persons talent or trait. It's safe to say now that assailant who showed up and attacked Makoto pretty much summed up my conclusions and doubts, but I wonder how his/her role will play in this Academy Coliseum. |
I really like this episode
It have a lot of emotion well show and was really interesting. is sad how Oogami die to protect her friends and Aoi crying because of her best friend were really emotional. Alter Ego execution came out of nowhere to me, but I guess it was Monokuma's way to tell them they don't have hope. Now we know the name of the 16th student and his/her title seem fitting for the situation. |
Just finished watching the episode, and it was indeed an emotional one. You have to feel bad for Aoi on this one. Losing a friend in Sakura Oogami took a heavy toll on her heart to a point in which Aoi framed others and then wanting the entire class to get punished after reading Sakura's final will, which was switched with a fake one by Monokuma itself.
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dang, decent episode.
RIP Oogami. Thought that Aoi really was the killer for a sec. The 'execution' of the laptop was kind of funny. At least it feels no pain... Even though Togami has been an ass the whole time, for some reason with just a few lines he jumps to badass level. argh rubberband effect. If Monobear did temper with everyone's bodies and memories, it makes it even more tragic since they really were all friends that knew eachother and ended up killing eachother. |
lots of emotion and feels are used in this episode
Aoi's outburst is the best... and Byakuya's confused face also priceless Sakura is also one of the best character who still maintain her composure even after witnessing so many death and murder honestly, I still hope Celes will replace Hagakure's place right now. Hagakure did nothing during class trials.. only shouting and screaming.. not deserve to live.. :heh: the only question left is...... how did Kirigiri know about 16th student's stuff? |
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Okay, I admit that I was wrong about AE being the mastermind's pawn. Oy, that execution was a shocker. When Monokuma said there would be a special guest, I thought he was going to drag in Sakura's corpse and subject it to an "execution."
And I second the question of how Kirigiri got into Naegi's room. |
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reason?? love interest :heh: just kidding though well, since Kirigiri always go somewhere and just pop out again from nowhere, I think her mysterious life should be revealed soon |
Obviously she received the Dokodemo Door from Doraemon duh. Super Kirigiri can go everywhere she wants.
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About Naegi not wondering how she got into the room: This is actually an anime only mistake. Spoiler for EP 9 - cut content:
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Called it... But Sakura was really easy to hit and render unconscious, for a "Super Duper High School Fighter".
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Now this, laddies and gentlemen, was rushed hardcore.
Good episode, but extremely rushed overall. Quote:
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I remember somebody saying something about not revealing clues that were not shown in the episode yet, turns out it is irrelevant, since the anime only wants to shown evidence after it makes a character state a possible reason for it, and almost always during the classroom trial itself.
just because of that, by not showing the viewer the big picture, this fails as a detective series. I mean it is fun to follow the characters around as they try to find evidence on whodunnit, but if they suddenly pull out evidence out of their backside, like how togami only revealed that bottle when he was about to present his theory, or when kirigiri showed the shard from inside the bottle, then the viewer would naturally think "What the? where did that come from?" never mind that they didn't show that part about the candy wrapper and the magazine or that they weighed the shards scene from the game, I'm sure they were not brought up because they couldn't find a way (or maybe the time) to insert it during the classroom trial. but all of that is irrelevant now, I think there won't be any more deaths from here on, and the confrontation with the mastermind/16th student is about to begin. I'm interested in what was said about their bodies being modified, and how the 16th student is the super duper HS despair, what does that even mean? |
So it's the trial for Ohgami's murder.
Lots of discussions and false assumptions. Never would have guessed who the culprit was. Then again, I never managed to guess a single one so far. Some people just can't deal with grief normally.. |
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I was crushed was Alter Ego got smashed. I really liked the little guy!:( Quote:
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If it is any help, Ikusaba Mukuro in Japanese is 戦刃 むくろ
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Sakura was the best girl. She never lost hope and sacrificed herself for her friends' sake. RIP.
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But I have to admit its a unfair to the anime viewers, which also is the largest flaw of the game.
It is impossible for any anime viewer or gamer to deduce the mole (lol @ tea) because the mole did not do a single thing at all. No suspicious actions at all. And the 16th student Ikusaba Mukuro is a brand new character, though whether he/she has any connections to the Puppetmaster is up in the air. |
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You also only get Sakura's part of the testimony regarding who took the knife during the trial. Its actually reasonable for a detective series to get new clues after someone has already formed a valid theory. Take "Still Life murder", for example where Spoiler for Spoiler for Still Life murder- Mystery novel:
As to why the anime seems to do this a lot more often than the game I can only guess that its done to make stuff a bit harder. The game pretty much floods you with evidence and only case 2s culprit as well as parts of case 6 are a bit harder. @ Super duper highschool despair: I think i can say that much without spoilering anything: Its simple their title. Naegi for example is the super highschool level luckster Togami the Super highschool level Scion and so on Quote:
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While Asahina got the protein (Which Oogami claims helps healing wounds in no time early in the game), Ogami drank the poison. |
Anyone else find it interesting that on the vote thingy, PsychoBear is one of the choices?
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Monokuma is the ultimate troll, of course his face appears on the reel. Due to his status as a troll, it's hard to say whether this is significant or not.
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Anyway, Klash is probably right that this adaptation lacks a bit in brains. But it makes up for it with some incredibly visceral emotionality. These seiyu must be having the time of their lives in these roles (other than Kirigiri's seiyu, perhaps, as she's the one who has to act cool, calm, and collected all the time). |
The game does explain how Kirigiri got in. It's sad to see the anime skip over such minor, yet crucial parts.
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Well, if you are really desperate to know how she got in I'll just refer to this post made not long ago.
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