Gundam Seed/Seed Destiny General Discussion Thread
 

Somebody told me that Gundam Seed was supposed to be a three part series. Did the producers scrap that project? After GSD, should the series RIP? I can understand though, since GSD was a big disappointment, both in storyline and quality.

Movie = Part 3.

And no, contrary to popular belief that GSD flopped and is hated by everyone everywhere, GSD is selling damn well to the demographic target audience that matters.

And here I have no idea where the slightest suggestion of how "GSD was a big disappointment" came from. Seriously now, aside from a very small minority, GSD is bloody popular amongst serious and casual Gundam fans.

- Tak

To be honest, it seems that saying "GSD was a big disappointment" is the 'cool' thing to do these days.

It seems im in the small demographic that thought it was alright.

GSD wasnt that bad honestly. I was a little disapointed with all the flashbacks and the way Shins character was developed but it was alright. So the third part of the seed trilogy would be the movie?

i thought GSD should have been done way better, but i still enjoy it. although i really disliked Shin and Yamato the way they were portrayed. and the "new" mechs weren't that exciting (or unique for that matter). if the movie is gonna be the end of CE, then i am praying they let it go out on a high note

It was intended to be a trilogy, but despite the popularity of SEED with bishie-clamoring 12-15 year old Japanese girls (Who I assume Tak is referring to when he says "serious" Gundam fans :rolleyes:) critical acclaim does mean something (See Code Geass) and if it doesn't than the in-fighting rumored amoungst GSD's staff must of meant something, or maybe Fukuda calling GSD the single most disappointing work of his entire career meant something...But I guess people just cherrypicked the quote "GSD was a big disappointment" as said :uhoh:...

I'd say the fact there is no 3rd series when C.E. was suppose to be taking on the UC mantle is as telling as it is revealing...The fact it was never meant to just be another AU and by all accounts IS, is also telling...As it's been crammed down my throat that Fukuda and his wife are superior when it comes to OVA's I'll be expecting a good-a$$ SEED movie that entertains girl sleepover parties aswell as general fans (Hilarious that's what I am based on the defense, a general fan of Gundam, too rich xD)...

Glad to hear you standing as one voice with pre-teen girls who vote Kira and Lacus "Nuumbaa 1" in every Newtype poll... "GSD is doing great because it's selling to it's demographic?" Yep your right, almost as if I type that out for my computer to answer me...

Well, I liked GSD as well but it didnt give me the excitement that GS gave me. I was hoping they'd make another 50 episode extension of the whole storyline since I enjoyed it so much. Thanks for the answers!

but i still have feelings that there might be a 3rd season.

but also i think that there need to lots of thinking for the story of season 3 of gs.

Please Gelven, for your own sake... watch something else...

And I'm not kidding

wait a minute how you know it's me from hero tv forum?

like i've to klac something to help gs?!

I don't know, Let's just say... I have two good friends....and the way you kiss Fuckuda's is so nostalgic...

and let me guess there on hero tv forum or GSR?

besides i'm a fan of Kira Lacus Athrun Cagalli especially on LACUS & CAGALLI.

besides i've been on gs since 04.

^^^Can't help it if one succumbs to SEED-dom...XD

But too much of something is always bad...

Correction Snipy, It's SEED-dumb... He's actually sniffing Lacus-dust...

Now now, behave people! Besides, SEED's all right.

But I just can't figure out why someone would seriously like Destiny except out of sheer fanboyism or 4tran-esque super (over?)analysis of it - the story's relatively chaotic, the action and battle sequences are laaaaaaaaaaaame, the character relationships are for the most part jumbled together and make little sense.

Also, for all we know they are planning a third SEED show after the movie, using the movie as a stepping stone to prepare for it - a third SEED show after Destiny would consist pretty much of everyone sitting around and doing nothing lest they're smacked down for endangering the peace of the world (oh no!).

I always thought the moral of SEED was -

"It doesn't matter who's right or wrong, as long as you have the gr8est giant robot..."

Granted a showdown between lead Gundams is a tradition, but it always gets me thinking the above.

What's the current release date for the new movie? I thought it was one of those already released movies.

Those are just the series compacted into movie form. The movie is a brand-new feature film set for 2008.

It's a fairly decent estimate, but it's more accurate to say that we don't know when it'll be released. There's not even a single promotional information bar the announcement.

Anyway, just speaking in general, but I would prefer it if people stop demeaning GSD, and by extention, people who enjoy it, be it via sarcasm, or whatever. True, GSD had a lot of flaws, the pacing, the execution, the holes, it was..chaotic bar the first 15 episodes or so and occasional later ones. But from a personal standpoint, it's chaoticness made it a somewhat entertaining experience, especially due to it's soap-opera execution by Morosawa writings. If I weren't going to take it remotely seriously, I'd say GSD is easily the one of the finest unintentional comedy I've seen too.

I couldn't stop laughing during Final Plus. It was classic as hell in a quirky way.

That's exactly it. Destiny was made for fanboys/girls who want to see their favorite characters kick some serious a$$. Its not meant to be a serious show, nor does it try to be. And in that non-serious way, its actually quite entertaining.

Watching GSD right after Destiny left me unsastified. I was hoping for another series starring Kira and the Archangel as main characters. Instead, they give us a whiny/arrogant lego pilot (no offense to Shin fanboys). The only characters worth mentioning are probably Lunamaria and Meyrin.

I as well was slightly disappointed with Destiny, though probably due to hype at the time. In my opinion there were far too many characters running around with plot-device belts which protected them from all danger =\

No...GSD devolved into just a show about fangirls/fanboys wanting to see their favs kicka$$...The first 10 episodes or so as discussed many times before were of a serious context...Jona was a serious character who was sneeky and politically savvy and turned into a cartoon character...Djbril was more than Dr. Evil from Austin Powers...C'mon we've been over this several times and you got people pretending GSD FROM THE VERY START was never a serious show...My goodness gracious...

In the end, yeah it's comedy if you take the B-movie approach to watching it (especially past ep 36), but to say the show never had a serious tone from the start...That's a flawed rational (And one of the central reasons so many were dissapointed in it's downfall)...

Who says it was meant to be serious from the start? I certainly didn't.

And yes, I am one of those who are disappointed in that what had started out as potentially one of the best Gundam series out there could turn into what it did. But oh well, it ended up a joke, but heck, some people like it, and I was explaining why they do.

Actually, it struck me as sort of the other way around. They started GSD with Shinn as the main character, but then decided to bump Shinn out of the main character slot in favor of Kira, and changed Shinn from a potential ace pilot hero into a whining, nerfed bad guy.

Can someone fill me in on this Movie that's coming out? When's the release date and is it even still being released? The status of the thing and if it really is in production?

Its in production. Mitsuo Fukuda's directing. It will be released but the release date has not been announced.

It will be released. We just don't know when.

Interviews seem to imply that this movie production will have stronger emphasis on quality, so who knows? As of the current status, it's in production...under unlimited production time since we don't know for sure WHEN it'll be released. An average estimate would probably be mid-next year or late next year after 00 is over. But, hell if we know for sure.

SEED sells itself at this point, so they don't need the unneccesary hype until they're going to actually give us a concrete idea of when or what it'll be about.

So then the chance of a 3rd season of GS is slim to none?

Not necessarily. But it won't be out for a while, at least.

I get the feeling that the movie is the end of this part of the franchise. I'm looking at the stuff in the pipeline (gundam00) as well as the Gundam Unicorn novels which I think is a strong candidate to be eventually animated and I really can't see them continuing with Seed. Personally I was surprised that there is a movie, I was expecting Seed Astray was the logical choice for any future Seed animation.

From all the information gathered the movie seems to be a compromise for not having a 3rd series...Couple that with the fact Gundum 00's teaser release is 4 months before the show actually airs which tells me it won't present any HUGE SEED news or campaigns that will steal it's thunder (which is smart)...I would put my money on next summer or after Gundam 00 ends next year for the movie...Since Gundam has recently chosen to take atleast a year off between series, following a movie next year you would still have to wait a year after that...So a new CE series seems bleak at best...and all the money I hear they're putting into the movie suggest they want to end CE with a bang...So atleast 3-4 years away from a potential new CE series which doesn't compute Gundam 00's success which may or may not push that back even further...So you might wanna get on with your life in the meanwhile...

I didn't find Destiny quite entertaining at all. I did laugh, but it wasn't a happy laugh. I think I laughed because I still watched Destiny in spite of all the travesties that were starting to resurface just as Freedom made its "doomed" re-entry into the CE...I kept my hopes up that it would pick up somehow (see, I still have some love left for the CE), but all that was in vain...:heh: and hell comedy it wasn't. Maybe I was laughing because it ws the only way I know to cover up the feelings of horror I felt watching those last episodes...:heh:

Well, everyone has their own opinion of things. There are people who hate the most legendary acclaimed of stuff too for their own personal reasons, and there are people who like crap as well. It's understandable if people didn't enjoy Destiny though.

As for the future of CE post-movie, well, it really depends on how the movie turns out, but without anything to go by but interviews and blatant statements of Bandai considering CE the 2nd big thing compared to the legendary UC, I'd say that the movie will probably close the Kira-Athrun side of the story, and just maybe in the near future, we'd get stuff like OVAs or different mediums that's told from a different perspective, tackling different bases of the established universe.

UC's now pretty much novels and occasional animated works too. Like AoZ which has awesome mecha designs, Unicorn and Igloo. Maybe 2010 will have something.

Unless some mind-fuck happens in the movie, Kira's pretty much well and settled in his ZAFT uniform.

No, we need more team hopping. It wouldn't be a SEED story without mass amounts of defections.

^^^I guess Fukuda would be now forever known as "defect-to-the-other-side-you-all" Fukuda...:heh: :heh: :heh: (as opposed to "kill-em-all" Tomino)

@ Nightengale

Destiny is well liked and despised by people for their own reasons, and some reasons (like maybe the CE mechs) could be well liked by some and still despised by others at the same time. Like, for example, they would say they didn't like the Turn A because of its unusual design, but others like it. It really is a matter of preference for the fans, who maybe only liked CE because of some characters, some mechs, dialogs, etc. But some people find it hard to believe why the other side can't seem to see the beauty of what they see, and it is this kind of scenario where bashing starts (or flame wars, whichever comes first)...anyway, it's one of the reasons why there are so many fans of a given series (the diversity of their preferences, NOT the bashing/flame wars...^^;; ), and that the CE world just luckily happened to be part of the Gundam universe who is currently making LOTS of money at the present because of these very same fans.

Anyway, what I wrote was my opinion...

^As I stated a very long time ago, Fukuda's nick is "flashback'em all..."

"Defect-to-the-other-side-you-all" Fukuda could be quite a mouthful, it could be his other nick. :heh: