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SaintessHeart 2013-05-08 15:47

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh (Post 4671416)
And of being bailed out by the government if things go pear shaped.

They still have their expertise in moving money around and creating more money from it. The students don't.

Pretty short term.

speedyexpress48 2013-05-08 20:58

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Originally Posted by ganbaru (Post 4670689)
Sadly, there's a new example to add:
Disgraced South Carolina ex-governor Sanford wins House seat
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9460BI20130508

And there you go. To be fair, I knew this would happen due to the deep red tilt of the district; it has a Cook PVI of R+11. (Yes, Dems can pickup some districts with higher Republican PVIs, but that only happens in wave years (or at a special election RIGHT AFTER a scandal, because in most places with a strong lean towards one party, a few months old scandal isn't going to hurt much, nevermind years old.) and with well-established candidates.)

With the right amount of time, even a car theft (or several) won't matter (see; Darrell Issa.)

Destined_Fate 2013-05-08 21:00

Ugh..

And he keeps pulling the God card, it's as if he really believes that saying "God this, God that" somehow makes everything he's done all right.

Dhomochevsky 2013-05-09 02:12

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Originally Posted by speedyexpress48 (Post 4671683)
And there you go. To be fair, I knew this would happen due to the deep red tilt of the district; it has a Cook PVI of R+11. (Yes, Dems can pickup some districts with higher Republican PVIs, but that only happens in wave years (or at a special election RIGHT AFTER a scandal, because in most places with a strong lean towards one party, a few months old scandal isn't going to hurt much, nevermind years old.) and with well-established candidates.)

With the right amount of time, even a car theft (or several) won't matter (see; Darrell Issa.)

With those cases it's less about the final vote.
I can understand people to put a party before the person and still vote 'their' side.
But you have to wonder how someone like that becomes a candidate in the first place. There has to be at least some competition?

speedyexpress48 2013-05-09 19:44

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Originally Posted by Dhomochevsky (Post 4671945)
With those cases it's less about the final vote.
I can understand people to put a party before the person and still vote 'their' side.
But you have to wonder how someone like that becomes a candidate in the first place. There has to be at least some competition?

On paper, sure. In reality, no matter how fucked up an incumbent (or formerly disgraced political figure) is, he is going to win the primary due to his name recognition over the guy who just got into the race 95% of the time (the only exceptions this year would have been Democrats Jason Altmire losing his primary election to Mark Critz (who lost to Republican Keith Roofus in the general election anyways) and Tim Holden losing his primary to Matt Cartwright (both in Pennsylvania), and that was more the result of heavy gerrymandering than anything else.

Kyuu 2013-05-09 21:10

So, the whole Benghazi crap is still being pushed? It's obvious why. They're looking to dirty up Hillary Clinton and ruin her chances for 2016. At the same time, it's an attempt at creating Obama's version of Watergate.

Vexx 2013-05-09 21:50

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Originally Posted by Kyuu (Post 4672990)
So, the whole Benghazi crap is still being pushed? It's obvious why. They're looking to dirty up Hillary Clinton and ruin her chances for 2016. At the same time, it's an attempt at creating Obama's version of Watergate.

The problem is it shows just how incompetent they are. There is literally no traction on this, there is nothing there. The prior administration had over a dozen similar incidents. The budget for security was cut by the very morons running these little charades.

It doesn't matter what your political philosophy -- this is just stupid and embarrassing to watch.

Vallen Chaos Valiant 2013-05-09 22:19

At least now it is easy to tell the difference between a normal conservative and a nutcase conservative; anyone still pushing Benghazi is simply insane and their opinions can be disregarded. If this is how they plan to win 2016, I love to see them try.

The best part? The nutcases are living in the bubble and thinks that the Left still CARES about the accusations. They don't even know they are just mumbling to themselves.

Badkarma 1 2013-05-09 22:37

Despite that, Americans were killed, backup was requested, none was sent.
Stars on a wall, graves at Arlington. Like the man said:"Nobody cares!"

Vallen Chaos Valiant 2013-05-09 23:15

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Originally Posted by Badkarma 1 (Post 4673074)
Despite that, Americans were killed, backup was requested, none was sent.
Stars on a wall, graves at Arlington. Like the man said:"Nobody cares!"

Americans are always getting killed. There is nothing special about Bengazi that warranted any more reaction than any other. It's like school shootings. As I say, keep it up. It makes it so much easier to tell apart the sane Republicans from the insane ones.

speedyexpress48 2013-05-09 23:36

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Originally Posted by Badkarma 1 (Post 4673074)
Despite that, Americans were killed, backup was requested, none was sent.
Stars on a wall, graves at Arlington. Like the man said:"Nobody cares!"

Yes, cuz we all know this never happened under Bush :rolleyes:

The GOP is basically hypocritical to the core; I guarantee that if this occurred under a GOP president, no Republican would give a shit. Heck, you guys proved that during the Bush administration.

monir 2013-05-10 00:54

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Originally Posted by Kyuu (Post 4672990)
So, the whole Benghazi crap is still being pushed? It's obvious why. They're looking to dirty up Hillary Clinton and ruin her chances for 2016. At the same time, it's an attempt at creating Obama's version of Watergate.

Oh, I don't think the GOP think-tank are thinking that far ahead as of right now. It has more to do with 2014 where a lot of Congressional/Senate seats will be up for grab. Just like how Democrats are trying to make GOP look bad by pushing for gun-control bills, budget, debt-celing and etc. GOP is trying to muddy the water for Democrats by introducing ideas like conspiracies (Benghazi), debt, and etc. It's all about scoring political points to the easily gullible voters to shore up the votes.

Vallen Chaos Valiant 2013-05-10 01:03

Benghazi isn't even a case though. The only people who parrot it are those who was never going to vote Democrat.

But as I said before, I welcome them wasting their airtime on this. Democrats have real weaknesses, but as long as Republicans focus on Benghazi they would never exploit the real flaws over imaginary ones.

Xellos-_^ 2013-05-10 01:25

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Originally Posted by monir (Post 4673274)
Oh, I don't think the GOP think-tank are thinking that far ahead as of right now.

i think some of them are thinking that far ahead. Either the benghazi issue will drive Hillary form the election or it will be use to cripple her if she is elected.

At the least Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and Macro Rubio are thinking of using it to drive Hillary form running in 2016.

Ithekro 2013-05-10 01:36

If they want someone to take on Hillary Clinton, why no Elizabeth Dole?

monir 2013-05-10 01:36

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^ (Post 4673313)
i think some of them are thinking that far ahead. Either the benghazi issue will drive Hillary form the election or it will be use to cripple her if she is elected.

At the least Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and Macro Rubio are thinking of using it to drive Hillary form running in 2016.

As 2012 election will attest to, accusation alone won't drive a bandwagon. If that was the case, the socialist, muslim immigrant who was out destroy America as we knew it would be watching Mitten repealing everything-Obama from day one.

Hilary has a stellar record as the head of State Department and her testimony on Benghazi has been fantastic. Benghazi won't have any hold on her from running if she decides to go for another round. If anything, it might be her health that keeps her away from 2016. No, the GOP should worry more about Cumo who seems to do almost nothing wrong, (oh and certain New Jersey governor turn-coat :heh: ).

Seitsuki 2013-05-10 01:59

Putting the people before the party? Who dares?? That's not their job!

Dr. Casey 2013-05-10 02:27

I'm not a Republican and I'm okay with Obama, but

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Originally Posted by Badkarma 1 (Post 4673074)
Despite that, Americans were killed, backup was requested, none was sent.

this seems to be a pretty accurate assessment, so why's it such a ridiculous thing to say that the administration deserves to be faulted for not sending help when they were aware of the conflict hours before it ended? I don't take Vallen's claim (that disapproving of the way Benghazi was handled makes one an insane right wing extremist) too seriously because I know that 'Hyperbole' is his middle name, but since other posters that are actually reasonable and levelheaded say the same thing, I figured there must be some facts I'm missing here.

Vallen Chaos Valiant 2013-05-10 02:30

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Originally Posted by Dr. Casey (Post 4673394)
I'm not a Republican and I'm okay with Obama, but



this seems to be a pretty accurate assessment, so why's it such a ridiculous thing to say that the administration deserves to be faulted for not sending help when they were aware of the conflict hours before it ended? I don't take Vallen's claim (that disapproving of the way Benghazi was handled makes one an insane right wing extremist) too seriously because I know that 'Hyperbole' is his middle name, but since other posters that are actually reasonable and levelheaded say the same thing, I figured there must be some facts I'm missing here.

Because this is NOT an impeachment issue. You think Hyperbole is my middle name? How about "Obama should be impeached! Hillary committed Treason!"

You think I talk of Hyperbole? Really?

Four Americans died. That is unfortunate. And maybe there is a way to prevent it from happening in hind sight. But anyone who wants to hang a politician for it have no idea how the system works and what was plausable. If Benghazi is as big a deal as the GOP is claiming, the government would be even more dysfunctional than it already is.

Dr. Casey 2013-05-10 02:35

Sorry, I skipped to this last page. We were talking about impeaching him for Benghazi? Okay, I see where you're coming from now.

mmm, peaches


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