Japanese Culture Locked Side-Topic
I was shocked.
A Japanese is not xenophobia as far as I know it.
The Japanese is a curious, generous national character.
Therefore, the Japanese is generous also to the homosexual.
A lot of celebrities of the gay are performing to Japanese TV.
It is characteristic of them that it is a gay and appears on TV.
I think that a national character to which Japanese curiosity is strong and generous is understood with the anime and the manga.
The anime and manga takes anything in.
Anything can be permitted in Japan if it doesn't trouble others.
Therefore, there are a lot of young people of an original fashion in the town.
In such Japan, there is no thing that the Japanese dislikes only by the reason of foreigner.
The Japanese doesn't have the thing of not accepting by a trifling difference of color of the hair, eyes, and the skins.
The Japanese dislikes the foreigner who comes to Japan and does the crime.
Statistics of the nationality of the foreigner who comes to Japan and does the crime are being announced by the police.
The person in such a country is disliked.
The Japanese does not dislike foreigners.
The Japanese is not afraid of a foreigner.
Japan commited countless atrocities, one of the most disturbing is the nanking massacre. Why is it, that you still try to avoid confrontation? Why is it that japan is still so much hated throughout china and korea?
In 1970 our chancellor Willy Brandt, knelt down infront of a monument to the warsaw ghetto uprising, expressing deep shame for what was done to poland and the jews in general. THIS little gesture helped, to overcome the tensions that still existed. He even got the peace noble price 1971.
Do you think it is possible that someday, a japanese prime minister will visit china and KNEEL down, to express shame (in the name of the japanese public) for the commited atrocities? To apologize for past crimes? I don't think such a thing will EVER happen, unless you change your nationalistic, self centred mentality.
We in germany have learned our lesson. You in japan have not. You're still way too self centred. You don't really accept others within your homogenous society. Even the UN has critisized Japan for these things. You're still way to nationalistic.
I find it important that also things like this are discussed in this thread. Japanese culture is interesting and fascinating. Yes. But the xenophobia, racim and nationalism are also a result of that culture and have to be discussed. Please don't feel offended noraemon, it's great if you are different then that. But your post also confirms what i said. You don't seem to see the vast problems in your country and are rather trying to avoid them. That mentality has to change.
Many Japanese are fairly innocent about outsiders and 95% of what some might call "racism" is innocent curiosity of the unknown or stereotype myth easily dispelled. But there's a xenophobic and unpleasant nationalist strain in the institutions of authority and in groups of influence. If there weren't, Japanese wouldn't have to fight over history textbook content or tolerate the "black vans with loudspeakers" from the extreme rightwing, they wouldn't be fighting over trying to get their children registered in the Name Registry, foreigners wouldn't be detained for not having their papers with them while taking the garbage out in the morning.
All I'm really saying is that open-minded people in Japan need to be vigilant against those who'd like to return to the "old days of authoritarianism" and those who do mistreat outsiders. Noraemon is right in that Japan is "getting better" in some ways... but that in turn creates resistance to change by the metaphorical equivalent of the "old southern boys" faction in Japan (as HyugaNegi points out). People in every country have some version of this cultural/nationalistic battle - some worse, some better.
Statistics of the nationality of the foreigner who comes to Japan and does the crime are being announced by the police.
According to these statistics, there are very many crimes of a Chinese and the Korean.
Therefore a Chinese and a Korean are disliked by a Japanese.
Certainly, the crime that the Japanese commits in Japan is more abundant.
However, it is a matter of course.Because there are a lot of Japanese population in Japan.
A Chinese and a Korean have very high crime rate in the a population of ratio.
I did not have that I watched a restaurant and the hotel which did not permit a foreigner in Japan and have not heard it either.
I think that your recognition is wrong.
As for the problem of a Korean residents in Japan, a root is very deep.They say forcible escort, but it is a lie.
The Japanese Government makes a law to prohibit a voyage to Japan of the Korean at prewar days.
The Japanese Government lets 320,000 people go back to their own country in 1939.
Still, Korean people who enters Japan illegally one after another has increased.
And the number of illegal entrants increased very much when Japan lost war.
In addition, the number of illegal immigrants increased after Korean War had broken out.
As for the Korean residents in Japan, there are 600,000 people now, but all is almost an illegal entrant and the descendant.
However, they tell a lie that I got the compulsion taking done.
And they are going to get a special privilege in search of apology and compensation.
They are not naturalized in Japan.The reason is because it loses a special privilege.
The Korean residents in Japan has high crime rate, too.
A Japanese dislikes Korean residents in Japan from such a reason.
Korean residents in Japan pretend by a Japanese name because he or she understands it.
The Chinese residents in Japan does not give the Japanese name.
The reason is because the Chinese residents in Japan does not do the shameful act like a Korean residents in Japan.
Only a Korean residents in Japan gives the Japanese name.
Japan made apology of the war every country.
The prime minister apologizes many times to date from the past.
Japan does the compensation.
Japan teaches the right history.
Stanford University did the comparison investigation the high school history textbook of Japan, China, South Korea, the United States, and Taiwan.
About the history recognition of World War II, the Japanese textbook does not praise war and points out that it is the most inhibitory.
about Nanjing Massacre
1. It is said 300,000 slaughter, but the population of Nanjing of those days is 200,000 people.
2. Far from decreasing in slaughter, refugees return for security by the Japanese occupation, and the population increases rapidly adversely.
3. There must be a strategy record for an action by the armed forces, but there is not the strategy record attacking the people.
4. There is not the person who watched "the body as troubles" other than the witness at the Tokyo trial.
5. Though a large quantity of people were murdered, nothing has a photograph, the record of the picture.
6. Though is said that a large quantity of people were murdered, nobody tells in those days（A story of Nanjing Massacre was given at Tokyo trial suddenly）
7. The murder that clergyman Maggie who was in Nanjing of those days watched is only one.
8. Murder by the Nanjing invasion that became clear by investigation by the international committee is only 49 cases.
9. By food distribution to the people, Japan receives even receipt and a letter of thanks from the international committee.
10.The head in the advertising construction place of a Chinese Nationalist party admits the slaughter article "Two foreigners were employed and the book that had become the evidence of the trial because of advertising construction was written".
A citizen's state to form a line in the grant place that it performed so that a Japanese army may separate the refugee and the soldier by the documentary film of Nanjing of those days comes out.
If there was slaughter, do you line up?
There is the civic line to celebrate the Chinese self-government Committee establishment for a period said that there was slaughter.
There is scenery of the boy and the girl who sounds the firecracker in front of the military police headquarters and is playing in the documentary film , too.
A lot of world News organization reported on the Nanjing capture war, too.
The greatest press pool is 80 people of Asahi newspaper. It is 70 people of Mainichi newspaper next.
It is a coverage situation in which even water doesn't leak.
It is proved that the rape of Nanjing improved by Youtube, the picture of the battle of China were the pictures which a soldier of the Chinese Nationalist Party government carried out.
A way of the Chinese execution is to shoot it from the back of the head.It is not a way of Japan.
An "Burn it up", "Kill completely", and "Deprive completely" strategy said to that the Japanese armed forces carried it out in the Nanjing capture war is that Chinese Nationalist Party went, the New York Times does it for an article.
Nanjing Massacre is Chinese political propaganda.
Please think calmly.
Japan which fought against U.S.A. does not have enough ammunition and the fuel performing a massacre.
How did the Japanese armed forces is process the corpse of 300,000?
If the Japanese armed forces leave the corpse, an epidemic spreads.
Where would the remains of 300,000 disappear?
I'll answer on a general and personal note, why we may think so.
The stories some foreigners give about natives not wanting to sit next to a foreigner on a train and will go elsewhere or just stand even if there's an empty space next to them are all too true.
I've experienced that time and time again, the worse case being having 3 men turn towards my section of the train to sit, see me and then go take the seat opposite me (my jp friend was sitting there), meaning it got awfully crowded and I had lots of leg room.
Normally I'd be giddy about it, but it was so blatant that it actually hurt and I think my friend noticed since she got up and moved to where I was so it was a 2 - 3 balance instead of 1-4.
Other examples include the staring.
Now I'll admit this much, it took a long time for me to digest enough humble pie to not feel offended by the constant staring (and this was being in Tokyo of all damn places) and started making a game out of it.
If it is a child or teen aged about 16 or under = I smile.
Simply cause for many, they would have probably never seen a black person in their life so if I'm making a memory, I smile.
Sometimes the kids, babies or so will smile and wave back so their mothers have no choice but to accommodate me *laughs*
Some are happy to talk to me, some force a smile and I take that as my cue to leave.
For older men it depends.
If their glares are hostile, I return the same.
If they glance at me and then go back to their stuff, I return the glance and then tune out after, no harm done no biggy.
For older women, I'm not to bothered about really, lol. Some kinda shrink or shy away if we're standing on the metro but, I couldn't care less for some reason :p
The most accommodating people I've noticed and I find this terribly ironic are elderly people. They're the ones with the memories of the war and what the 'evil gaijin' did to them, but they're the ones who have approached me on buses, trains, talked, smiled and so on.
Another is location.
Those in Kyoto (maybe they're used to gaijin and thus don't mind bugging us) and Shikoku, especially in Shikoku were pretty awesome. I don't think I'll forget speaking to an elderly lady (70's or so?) in Japanese while we were waiting for the bus for almost 15mins (kinda had a limited service) - but she was so nice :)
Those in Tokyo perhaps are like those in London (so I hear, apparently we're 'cold') - have less time for themselves, always rushing around and generally kinda hostile, lol.
But yeah noraemon, the Xenaphobia aspect is all too real.
Most Japanese are simply curious and don't mean harm, but they are also afraid.
If we don't conform to stereotypes, as Vexx called it 'they're like a deer stuck in headlights'
They feel confused and awkward and generally afraid and I break all stereotypes just by being me.
(Black, but ha ha! I'm not American or directly from an African country!)
I can read kanji at intermediate level, but have been here less than 1 year (so far)
They look at me and kinda have a serious 'doshiyou' moment, lol
So things are getting better, but I really really hate that Japan followed their master (America) and implemented the fingerprint ID system in Narita Airport (and the rest) to "fight against terrorism", in November 2007.
Only America and Japan have this on a wide scale for international travel.
America did it cause of 9/11 and lots of paranoia after that (inlcuding the bastard 'puffer machines' that I'd just like to ram a bulldozer over)
UK did it cause London got attacked on July 2005, but it is for domestic travel only. (For Brits who didn't know, the new T5 has these implemented now, I participated as a 'test traveller' before they opened it to the public.)
Japan has never had a terrorist attack from a foreign party in recent history, what's going on here? :uhoh:
The thing is America "say" that when you leave the country, they will erase your fingerprint data.
Japan however, will keep all foreigners fingerprint data (biometric data) for life.
The Japanese immigration have my biometric data now and even if I leave or stay here, it'll never disappear.
That to me, doesn't really show a better tolerance for foreigners. It's almost to say that terrorists in Japan cannot be actual Japanese natives which again, I can only laugh bitterly at the irony, the BBC link above will explain why.
So there are many, many things and examples and I have many, many stories, but overall it isn't too bad. ^^
If you come to Japan as a tourist, you'll have the most magical, wonderful time of your life.
I'm speaking as someone who's been here a while, so the story is a little different sad to say. :)
But that doesn’t stop me wanting to live here for many years.
All it is, is a case of positive exposure and more foreigners doing and acting in a good way and breaking common stereotypes to help dispel more and more mystery that the Japanese kinda cling to out of uncertainty.
It’s kinda my current ‘occupation’ I believe, hee hee.
*points to her profile ‘about me’ section* :p
And we see why its so difficult to sort through the facts...
I'll stick to the "Japan today" part :)
It is relatively rare so its not surprising if you haven't noticed it yourself. Other aspects, Mystique has written of and personally experienced. Hell, *I* get that in Chinatown, San Francisco in some parts (where I'm the only white guy on the street; my wife who is Japanese-American loves blending in while I stick out). A friend of mine who lives in Japan calls the "dancing bear" syndrome... no matter how many years you're there, they're amazed you can use chopsticks, they're frightened when you speak Japanese, and you just make them nervous because you're different. You simply have to take on the task of being "ambassador" for outsiders and try to make them comfortable.
Now, ILLEGAL immigration is a real problem and naturally illegal immigrants will tend to come from nearby nations (china, korea) and be economically disadvantaged (which tends to drive crime). No complaint about worrying over that.
However, if a policeman sees a Chinese and *automatically* thinks "crime committer" and that Chinese happens to be a financial analyst with all his papers and doing the right thing -- but is harassed by the policeman.....
well that's the sort of crap that happens to Legal Latinos in the US. Either way, the harassment is wrong and needs to be quelled.
We all have different but overlapping sets of information we've acquired - so its up to the PEOPLE (folks in Japan and folks elsewhere) to compare notes and hopefully figure out where our governments and institutions are stretching the story.
((noraemon, please check your Private Messages))
Let me add this much noraemon and to any other Japanese natives reading this.
Our posts above aren't meant to drive anyone away, or bash Japan on a real harsh level.
Especially on a forum such as this where Japan = Holy land, I often find that I need to censor what I say, especially to a lot of anime fans who are starry eyed.
All countries have their problems, certain kinds prevail more than others per country, Xenophobia just happens to be one of Japan's most prevailant one.
So I've tried to toss in the good and bad in my previous post, but the truth is the truth and that's what I have to deal with (and others) if they want to live in Japan for a long period of time.
Though 'dancing bear?' ... odotteiru kuma? xD
Sounds kinda cute, but I cannot relate the imagery or reference with it :heh:
But obviously for us to be insane, crazy or just plain masochistic to go through all this, means surely it must be worth the investment of our time and energy to get more natives comfortable with foreigners and expand their minds beyond limited stereotypes towards a more globalised front.
Least for me with London as my home city and growing up in such a multi-cultural environment, I think it's worth dedicating my life to; the country, people are culture are all still pretty damn cool :)
*shakes her fist*
And I damn well will be able to read a novel in japanese someday, dammit! xD
Just another thousand kanji to go or so... >.>
I'm not sure if it is really xenophobia, to be honest. The Japanese whom I know tend to be distant to strangers, and living cheek-to-jowl with millions of people in a tightly constrained area that is Japan (not that much livable space on the islands really), it becomes more of a form of self-protection, IMHO, to segregate people into "safe" - i.e., those known - and "unknown" - i.e., everyone else. For that other "unknown" group, you pretty much have to "prove yourself" to show that you are trustworthy first being being accepted. Until then, you are going to be kept at a distance, which can last a long time - if not forever. Language-wise, there is separation in the form of keigo as well.
From personal experience, people tend to be less volunteering (of advice, help, etc.) without being asked first. To be honest, I can't remember a single instance of it (a major favor being given) happening to me yet... :) But for friends and when asked for something that I know can be done, I had never been rejected. It can come across as being cold and impersonal, but one of my kouhei once explained it as "not wanting to intrude into someone else's business". That being an opinion of one Japanese person, people are free to take it or leave it. :)
There are exceptions, of course. I play arcade games at times, for example, and have had complete strangers come up and offer advice, freebies and help. :heh:
(It would not surprise me that there are Japanese who are racist (like, say, the more extreme nationalists out there :p)).
Thinking the alphabet should be accepted universally is pretty much arrogant if you ask me.
Written language is as much a part of that culture as well as a function within any given society.
Here are some examples of naturalized names;
(Yeah, they are all Japanese soccer players)
Most probably have justified reason why such as some of them I know at restaurants in the 70's in Yokosuka and/or Yonaguni hanged those signs because sailors on shore leave completely bashed their establishment more then once.
Onsen also deny enterance to people who have Yakuza style body tatoos, discrimination?
Maybe but they care more about reputation not wanting to be associated with the shady society and most "reputable" Yakuza buy out all reservation in advance so not to create unneeded trouble to their patronage.
Kneeling down in Warsaw?
Why did he not even give a tribute at the war cemetery for the unknown ?
Why do Germany emphasize the Nazi as the problem and not Germany as a whole?
Here is a interesting comment by a Japanese blogger;
What was the difference between Germans and Nazis?
How about non-Nazi combatants and/or personnels who knownly participated in the atrocities? Were they given a pardon?
Did anybody openly comeout confessing that they were actively participating and/or sympathizer of the Nazi party?
It may sound like a hair spliting arguement but it's actually the same situation on a coin trying to bury a skeleton which was hidden in the closet.
PRC also have a problem in disclosing information, Japan provided over 60% of the total ODA to PRC from normalization in the 70's up till 2008. Without it PRC would not have been able to develop to it's point today which even alot of PRC officials openly admits.
Anyway I don't know if it is true that Korean and Chinese have higher crime per population ratio but as immigrant have difficult time in foreign country especially Japan so they might resort to crime. Or maybe there could be organized criminals from other countries.
And this graph seems to tell different story.
And only reason why some of those Koreans take Japanese name is to avoid persecution from the Japanese. Seriously I don't know how you could deny some of those facts.
You know I like Japan, I think the culture overall is interesting and cool as well. But my god sometimes reading and hearing post like you wrote just makes me angry and make me feel hatred toward Japan even I know it is wrong to hate a country.
They need not use ammunition. Civilians have been used for bayonet target practice. The massacre is also not systematic - the higher-ups simply lost control of the men involved, in a large scale. Your country's inability to take responsibility has stemmed from this fact - that it ostensibly wasn't their fault.
Nevertheless, the problem is not in the numbers. That's now a statistic, it doesn't matter. Innocent blood has flowed, regardless of how many liters there have been. The fact is that the massacre itself did take place, and the Japanese at large have so far not openly acknowledged of the occurrence. Haggling over numbers is dodging the issue and failing to recognize the real problem at hand.
Really, if you honestly think numbers didn't count then don't try to inflate the already inprobable count.
ROC started with 100,000 which already had problems then such as where are the dead bodies.
I also suggest getting the so called common sense checked since troops nomally do not want to waste ammunition within enemy territory for obvious reasons.
It was in a battle zone.
There was a massive battle before the Japanese entered Nanking, Nanking was HQ for the ROC government.
Also, noraemon claimed that the Japanese could not have mustered the ammunition because they were fighting the United States. The massacre happened in December 1937, the weeks after the Japanese took the city. The massacre lasted 6 weeks. The United States was not involved until the Pearl Harbor bombing in December 1941.
But that wasn't my message. It was: a lot of people died because Japan invaded. And people didn't like being told this because a bunch of morons on both sides got over their heads in the 50s through the 70s and can't keep their records straight. At least nobody can fabricate that an invasion took place, and that civilians died by the hundreds of thousands. Numbers don't bloody matter. They've been a statistic ever since the war happened.
Okay.. you guys are seriously derailing this thread with a little "fact/trivia" war that seems to be spiraling away from the big picture of that tragedy. Can we take the Nanking affair off to its own thread if ya'll feel compelled to fight over it?
Terrible things happened in Nanking -- hopefully everyone can agree on that, but a debate on it could fill books even if everyone stayed civil in discussing it.
I am sorry very much.
However, I do not think that the Japanese had the ulterior motive.
The black person might have been unusual. I think that it is not controlled curiosity, and the Japanese has stared at you.
But I am mysterious because there are many black people in Tokyo.･･･I can understand that it is a local city, but
I do not think that the Japanese is openhearted.
However, the Japanese does not obstruct a foreigner.
It takes time a little till Japanese is openhearted.
A Japanese may be to be shy.It may be to be a timid person.
The Japanese master is U.S.A.I feel some unpleasantness in this expression.
I wish that you do not dislike Japan.
This problem happened because the Russian was not accustomed to behavior and the custom in the public bath in Japan.
Afterwards, the Russian understood how to behave and the custom in the public bath in Japan.
This problem is solved now.
Japanese and foreigner's troubles occur with the difference of trifling recognition like this.
However, it solves it if talking enough.
The Japanese dislikes disarrangement of a traditional custom and manners.
So-called, it is the "wa/和".
There is no day when Chinese and South Korean's crimes are not seen with the tv and the newspaper.
The Japanese has thought that water and safety are free for a long time.
The Japanese feels that it is a threat very much that the common sense collapses.
The reason for this problem is that it becomes the endless dispute.
If a Japanese researcher and a Chinese researcher do not do an argument and investigation jointly, the answer does not appear.
I read Private Messages.
Thank you very much.
Simply put - WW2 was a very long time ago. There's a "handful" of people who were alive when it happened, other than that it's a tragic event that happened in the history books. Just like no amount of apologizing has "redeemed" America for slavery, or Germany for its crimes, or numerous other countries for theirs, no amount of discussion on these forums will provide much fruit either.
Bad things happened. Instead of playing the blame game, accept what happened, work towards preventing it from happening again, and find some common ground with your neighbors to strengthen your bonds. You'll find that people really aren't that different once you get to know them a little bit.
So, lets get back to the topic of this thread, which is discussion about Japanese culture.
I want to know, WHY the japanese seem SO uneducated about the things we discussed here. Seriously, i find it higly disturbing, when i read, that japaneses seem to be "curious" about foreigners, as if they are from another planet. Why is it, that japan is so homogenous? Xenophobia is the perfect word, because i want to KNOW why they are so "shy" before foreigners, or why they seem to fear them??? Helloooo??? It's the 21st century, we live in a globalized world, how come that japan is still so isolated? (except the economy) What are the reasons?
Also I would think talking about what Japanese during the war and some of the problems in their current society is related to their culture. This isn't a blame game we all know what happened. I would think discussing about this is a step for East Asians to understand each other and be more accepting to each other.
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