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Forum: Umineko 2011-03-29, 01:02
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
To be fair to Van Dine... he was a literary...

To be fair to Van Dine... he was a literary critic. He was used to reading the absolute best in literature, and Mystery was just a fledgling genre with a lot of inexperienced writers who couldn't...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-29, 00:13
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
Yup - but killing someone accidentally is also...

Yup - but killing someone accidentally is also "killing", so that doesn't really clear things up.

To be precise and define our terms (with some help from wikipedia):
Human killing human...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-28, 17:23
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
Okay, it might not be an accident (since...

Okay, it might not be an accident (since "accident" implies a lack of intent, as you say), but it still does not fit the definition of murder.

I don't know what it is called, technically, or even...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-28, 16:54
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
Will do, thanks - no one has to twist my arm to...

Will do, thanks - no one has to twist my arm to read Asimov. I liked I, Robot well enough - I even liked the barely related Will Smith movie, tasteless though that is.
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-28, 16:02
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
Asimov is one of my favorites for his Foundation...

Asimov is one of my favorites for his Foundation series, but unfortunately I haven't read any of his mysteries, so I'll have to refrain from clicking that spoiler.

I do think that if we discovered...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-28, 14:57
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
The best possible ending to Umineko would be "The...

The best possible ending to Umineko would be "The seagulls did it." It was revenge against the evil chef Gohda, who was boiling seagulls alive in order to enhance their flavor.

But yeah, I'd have...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-27, 17:35
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
Yeah, the "orangutan" part is so specific that...

Yeah, the "orangutan" part is so specific that it's definitely a reference to Rue Morgue.
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-27, 02:42
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
Sounds like Detective Kun-Kun. Technically...

Sounds like Detective Kun-Kun.

Technically speaking, the very first detective mystery did have an animal as the culprit.
Murders in the Rue Morgue
So maybe that's why Van Dine didn't feel...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-26, 13:28
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
That's because animals and children > furniture

That's because animals and children > furniture
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-26, 02:41
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
Oh yeah, Van Dine's a smart guy - no doubt about...

Oh yeah, Van Dine's a smart guy - no doubt about that. And it's certainly better to omit literary extras in your mystery, rather than writing bad literature.

But eh, what can I say, I like my...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-25, 16:56
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
Don't forget that amongst Van Dine's 20...

Don't forget that amongst Van Dine's 20 commandments are gems like:

"16. A detective novel should contain no long descriptive passages, no literary dallying with side-issues, no subtly worked-out...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-24, 20:55
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
They very fact that he wrote a book about a...

They very fact that he wrote a book about a British conspiracy to subvert the American intelligentsia speaks volumes about how obsessed the dude was with Britain. :D

It's like someone writing an...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-23, 20:54
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
Van Dine is very dry, and very British (despite...

Van Dine is very dry, and very British (despite his being an American). I wouldn't really recommend him unless you're already a die hard mystery fan.

For some nice follow-ups to Umineko, try John...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-19, 12:40
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
I don't think there's a very good mystery...

I don't think there's a very good mystery equivalent to what Battler did.

Maybe if the detective, like... convicted himself as the criminal so that he could buy some time, or something? And then...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-18, 22:38
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
I like Genius Battler Theory, myself. It's very...

I like Genius Battler Theory, myself. It's very Kinzo-like.
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-17, 21:12
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
I'm of the school of thought that aesthetics is...

I'm of the school of thought that aesthetics is equivalent to linguistics. So art is "Whatever is commonly referred to as art." Not very different from your definition, I suppose.

A good list of...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-17, 20:07
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
Like anything, it can be done badly or well, it...

Like anything, it can be done badly or well, it is not only bad or only good. At best, you can say it would be difficult to do well. I thought he pulled it off rather well in Higurashi (which is not...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-17, 19:25
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
Professional, bah. No one complains that Franz...

Professional, bah. No one complains that Franz Kafka and Emily Dickinson were not professionals.

But I am not suggesting that Ryukishi is more talented than Kubrick, no. He is, however, very...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-17, 17:08
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
False pretenses or not, I judge the art, not the...

False pretenses or not, I judge the art, not the artist. There are a good many artists whom I would hate as people, yet I love their art. Stanley Kubrick was insufferable, in many of his actors'...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-17, 16:56
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
Funnily enough, I agree with you. The race...

Funnily enough, I agree with you.

The race *is* the important part, not the finish line. And I enjoyed the race very much, even if there never was a finish line to begin with.

I wouldn't say...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-17, 16:39
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
I'd probably go: 1. Roger Ackroyd 2. ABC...

I'd probably go:
1. Roger Ackroyd
2. ABC Murders
3. And Then There Were None

But I don't like Christie in general, so take that with a grain of salt.

@Jan-Poo -

Maybe I got the wrong...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-17, 14:46
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
That has no bearing on his argument. CSI...

That has no bearing on his argument. CSI detectives are unrealistic, but that does not make classical detectives realistic. It just means that they are more realistic in comparison.

So yes, your...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-17, 08:41
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
He has indeed read Queen, here's an essay by him:...

He has indeed read Queen, here's an essay by him:
http://community.livejournal.com/witchhunters/5724.html

I said: "Umineko is using mystery cliches intentionally (paying homage to mystery tropes,...
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-17, 00:59
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
That's not really a mystery cliche, either. It's...

That's not really a mystery cliche, either. It's not original, but it's not widely used enough to be called a cliche.
Forum: Umineko 2011-03-16, 23:36
Replies: 169
Views: 31,978
Posted By naikou
Right, because Umineko is using cliches...

Right, because Umineko is using cliches intentionally (paying homage to mystery tropes, if you will). They even make reference to it in game, when Erika shows up and they all start talking about...
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