[Keroko]

Originally Posted by ghazghkull

Indeed...Indeed :3 Well so far, so good, wouldn't you agree? :3

I'm most definetely not complaining.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

Well those Data beings don't self replicate and become impossible to remove without bruning a planet down to the bed rock for one...

Psaw, we can work around that.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

yeah we have late night IRC chat to thank for that once it came up everyone started talking about how to gender bend the rest of the cast...

Sometimes the result of a small post can be so... satisfying.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

The problem with this is that Hayate ought to be fighting at very long range so "getting the jump on her" is going to be tricky at best. Beyond that her skill set isn't suited to close fighting period so she has no sane reason to enter a confined area were ambush is possible without massive support anyway. (Just like you don't drive a tank into a city without infantry all around it).

80% of combat in Nanoha is mid- to close-range, combine that with teleportation abillities (Lieze Aria could move extremely long ranges in a flash, for example) and the idea of closing up on her becomes far more likely.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

The issue is that you seem to think that just a pittance of training is going to really help. I doubt it will myself if anything it could engender dangerous overconfidence. The skills needed for effective close range fighting and for long range boom and zoom nuking are entirely diffrent from those needed for close range fighting. Plus having almost no base to draw on for them it would be like trying to train a total noob it could take months years for her to grasp even enough to spar at a vuagely decent level and she'd still be pretty much helpless against a trained sowrdsmen.
(Put a guy that's been doing Jujitsu for 6 months into the ring with Royce Gracie and see how that goes maybe he last 30 seconds instead of 10...)

[COLOR=black]Learning a martial art is hard it takes allot of time and effort and having huge magic potential is only minimally helpful in this as weapons fighting is about skill, experience, and finesse more then brute power. Her huge magical potential could easily be plowed into learning new defensive powers like movement aids, trips, etc but that same huge magic potential is of little use in learning to fight at close range with a weapon. This is a important factor to consider Hayate has other things to be doing and could be forced to enter battle at any time so even if learning melee was “best” (debatable IMO) in theory in practice it might not be.

Again you seem to be asuming I expect her to defeat them. I don't, I expect her not to get pounded into oblivion as soon as someone gets close to her. I don't expect her to pull a Dante, I don't expect her to master a martial art, expect her to know basic self defense in melee. That does not take years to learn.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

I'd point out that defensive fighting with weapons is acutally often harder then offense. First off it requires a healthy knowledge of what the enemy is likely to do in any given situation (which varies massively depending on weapon, his style, and other factors), intense drilling (this stuff happens so fast you can't really think about it you need muscle memory), and even still it's often hit or miss. (Nearly all styles emphasis aggression to keep the enemy off balance over defensive fighting which is often seen as a MISTAKE and a good way to lose). That said there is one thing that all such fighters agree can be used to counter superior skill in your opponent and is a highly effective defense: run away. Just giving ground and fleeing is a very common tactics in any serious fighting art.

Wait, defensive fighting is harder? If you hold your ground while fighting, yes. But defensive fighting with the goal of clearing the close combat range is actually easier then fighting offensively. The basic who's and what's of various close combat weapons doesn't exactly take years to learn (note: The basics, actual experience is a different matter) and Hayate will need it. Imagine if Hayate is caught in melee and she knows nothing about them. She'll get killed no matter the skills of the enemy. Give her some basic knowledge and self-defence, and she at least stand a chance of surviving against basic grunt 132.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

Jokes aside basiclly melee fighting with weapons isn’t something you can half ass if you’re not fighting to attack and kill the enemy you really shouldn’t be doing it. It’s also often a game of mutual suicide as the fact is that two skill fighters can often kill each other despite said skill due to the close range, the lethality of the weapons, and the difficulty in blocking and parrying inherent in real world situations. The saying and its variations are so old it’s almost cliché, but it’s still true.

True, but basic training in weapons is a lot different then doing things 'half assedly' any bit of experience counts when you are fighting someone with a weapon.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

The only way Nanoha or Yunno ever "handled" melee was rasing big ass force fields there enmies couldn't break easily. Nanoha didn't encouter Vita and turn RH into a spear and start trying to stab her or something. She used shields to tank hits and then blast her.

That I could see Hayate doing, but that's not "melee" IMO that's defensive magic and given you're take about "blocks" and "openings" and using her staff as a weapon that dosen't seem to be what you where thinking of either.

The manga notes Nanoha and Signum fighting in blatant melee, also note that the fight did not have a winner, which shows Nanoha can defend herself in melee. That is what I expect Hayate to be capable of: Survive.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

She has flaws you could exploit she seems to have at least a bit of insecurity for example and I've always contended the mother to Vivio angle could be exploited for DRAMA(!) (though I'm not much of a fan of Kags take on it). That said yeah she's not a walking illustration of half the pathos in the DSM unlike some protagonists but as I've said that's one of the things I like about her.

Yes, I still find it a shame that 7arcs completely dropped all that potentional in favour of NanoFate fanservice.

Originally Posted by Kha

...er... No Sousuke/Chidori mechanic?

And that timeline is where the Tentacle joke supposed to reside!!! Uuuh... How now...

Sousuke/Chidori? No, not possible. Keroko is a lot calmer by then.

Originally Posted by Kha

I'm not quite sure why either, but it stems from me not understanding a bit of the WAAAAAGH to even bring them logically into the Nanohaverse.

Pweh, if we can introduce Tyranids, Orks shouldn't be a problem.

Originally Posted by Kha

...Keroko.

*runs*

Still waiting. :3

Originally Posted by Tk3997

Okay this is like Xbox HUGE (Ended up at 15,800 words) and though I've read it over a few times, I still might be missing stuff so feel free to point out anything that seems weird. I'm pretty happy with it overall though I think the fight scene might be a tad dry, but I wasn't getting much mojo going for it and basiclly just had to force it out to finish the piece so yeah I won't take any offense if you find it lacking.

I haven't used this in a while but I think it's called for...

Anyway without Further adieu my latest fic! Which still has no name... We've been over this I suck at names lets move on...

Spoiler for SIZE:

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Originally Posted by Tk3997

Part 2:

Spoiler for EVEN MORE SIZE:

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Originally Posted by Tk3997

Spoiler for Part 3 YES THREE:

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That was big, that was intriguing, and to top it off with a nice cherry: It was filled with Vita!

MOAR!

Originally Posted by Kha

STARS-01
Genderbent of Nanoha


White Devil Never Looked This Cool.

Spoiler for Captain Nanoha Takamachi:

Nanoha Takamachi

Ever since he received Raising Heart from Yuuna, Nanoha has been in a dramatic ride of his life, far wilder than he has ever imagined. With the staff of destruction in one hand, and his unyielding courage in the other, he welcomed Keroro from the cold, woke Feito from his misguided quest, helped Hayate find his his way... Nothing touched by his pink beams of friendship ever came away the same.

When Kha-chan was first introduced to the group as Hayate's guard from the Church, she sparked Nanoha's interest as she was the first girl who wasn't lavishing him with gifts and love notes. However, the F4 soon discovered the reason behind Kha's permanent coldness, and in their own way, each Ace helped her find her heart once more.

An unfortunate accident that resulted in him being put out of action for almost a year mellowed his hot-blooded nature a little. After that, Nanoha took his lesson to his work and strives to spread the word of "doing your best while watching yourself" to all of his cadets. And his warmth and approachability won him many fans among cadets and colleagues alike.

In the year MC 0075, Nanoha is 19 years old and the primary Combat Instructor for the Lost Property Riot Force 6, a subsidarial experimental unit under Time-Space Administration Bureau's Special Management. The White Devil is also the commander of record for the "Stars" squad in the field. And Nanoha is a mild Psion, although a product of accident than evolution.

...

"It has arived" :3

Originally Posted by Kagerou

A preview of Scene 3. Posted because of implications...

Spoiler for Yuunoko in the making?:

"I'm from Earth, Yuuno-kun," Keroko said as she stared at the weapons. "I don't have any stigmas against guns." She reached for a Battle Rifle and lifted it up to her uninjured shoulder, peering through the ACOG scope and focusing on Yuuno's head. "But then, I don't know how to use one."

"First off, don't point it at your allies," Yuuno laughed, gently lifting the gun upward and away from his head. "Here, you need to be in the proper stance. Spread your feet apart a little and get a firm base." Yuuno put his hands on Keroko's waist and pushed her feet slightly with his, widening her stance and lowering her center of gravity.

Keroko began to blush. Wh-when did he get s-so forward?

Reaching behind him, Yuuno opened his palm and sent forth a chain bind that stretched out and wrapped around an ammo magazine, pulling it back toward him. Grabbing the magazine, Yuuno reached around and placed it in Keroko's hand. "When you load a gun, make sure you have it pointed away from you," He instructed. With his hand guiding Keroko's, they pushed the magazine into the empty slot for it. "As soon as you turn off the safety, the gun puts a cartridge into the barrel. Now, unlike Devices, guns don't have IFF, so you can easily shoot an ally as an enemy... or yourself."

Keroko nodded, unconsciously leaning back into Yuuno. His grip on my hands is so tight... she mused, trying to force down her blush. And look at those muscles! When did he get so strong? My god, is this what it takes to get to me?

"Put on hand here, and another one on the pistol grip," Yuuno said, still guiding Keroko's hands. He paused briefly to push up his glasses. Narrowing his eyes, he stared at the target dummy that dropped down. "Turn the safety off here. Now take aim, use the scope if you need to." Keroko nodded and peered through the scope at the target, her breathing somewhat heavier from earlier. "Now squeeze - don't pull! - the trigger." Together, the two mages fired the Battle Rifle, sending a three round burst square into the target's "chest". "Good! Again."

Together, the two fired 12 3-round bursts at target dummies. Occasionally, they would swivel a bit to focus on another target, but their stance didn't change. Oddly, Keroko's shoulder didn't bother her during this practice, and only an odd warm feeling seemed to touch her heart. As the magazine emptied and dropped to the floor, Yuuno reloaded the rifle and the two resumed firing. Slowly, Keroko got used to the repetition of firing the gun, feeling comfortable in Yuuno's imporomptu embrace as they expended several clips of ammo firing at targets.

This is... odd. Keroko decided. I mean, there are weirder things to do with a friend, but firing a gun? And why am I blushing so much?!

I wonder if it's because sometimes, you feel lonely. A voice seemed to tell her.
...maybe. Keroko thought to herself.

Keroko blocked out the thoughts, continuing to fire the Battle Rifle. The truth was, she didn't need Yuuno's help with aiming down the sights at the now-moving targets... but she wasn't about to tell him. He was...

...warm.

That.... that.... that.... THAT WAS AWESOME!

If I recall... this is the first Yuunoko piece up untill now.

Gotta get off my lazy butt and write....

Anxiously awaiting the chapter. :3:3:3

Originally Posted by Kha

Eto... I wanted to do that for UBW KhaxKeroko, since Keroko loves tech and all, Kha's mode of attack would be through there since he has access to an armory of Belka-pattern Bolter devices...

No problems here.