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Old 2008-06-21, 18:10   Link #1249
Tyabann
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
Age: 34
For the good/evil thing...

The "greater good" is a form of justification for immoral acts. In reality, there is no such thing.

Evil acts are evil acts, regardless of the motivation behind them.

Sometimes you do have to commit evil acts to create a good outcome, but that's a slippery slope.

It's better to find a way to create the best outcome without committing atrocities.

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Originally Posted by Roger Rambo View Post
What if in order for the time travelers future to come true (as in, history has to stay the same) has to include a major war breaking out between two countries who have a dispute with each other. Lets say diplomats from the two countries meet together, and find a mutually beneficial compromise that would avert war, and put the two countries on friendly terms.

To ensure that the war does happen, and future remains the same, the time travelers sabotage the peace talks. A war breaks out, and hundreds of thousands of people die in it.
Interesting idea, but, because of the way time travel works, they would already have interfered, from their perspective.

They have no choice but to cause the war. They cannot choose, because the future has already happened.

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I don't think that he is actually trying to prevent Time Travel. If he was then he would not have given Kyon the memory chip. It is quite possible that he represents an alternate future. One of the new time lines could lead to him and the other to Mikuru. And the decision that Mikuru big told Kyon that he would have to make will determine which time line to follow. But it must involve a lot of other things too since she was worried about what his decision would be.
Time travel does not work that way.

The Haruhi series seems to follow the Novikov Principle (for the most part).

Essentially, the future cannot be changed, because it has already happened. There is only one timeline, and it cannot be changed. It can only be fixed, restored, or otherwise affirmed.

The only exception appears to be the "Harupowers", and it is this last that I believe Fujiwara and his people want control over. With Haruhi (or Sasaki) under their command, they could rewrite history and thus create the ideal world they want.

If the time travelers and data entities, due to their foreknowledge of events, have no free will, then Haruhi's powers, to them, must represent the freedom they have been looking for.
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