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Originally Posted by Shinn_Kabuto

But then again, it was rumored that during Destiny's run, Sunrise (or at least Chiaki Morosawa) listened too much to the viewers (about how Shinn Asuka sucked @ss and they wanted Kira and the Freedom back) that the series ended up in a mess.

What is the worth of an unsupported rumor? And would it really make any difference why the creators decided to do certain things?

Originally Posted by Knight_SV

fukuda has admitted that he have no idea where the direction to take Seed Destiny right? i think because Seed Destiny was never planned to be produced in the first place, but was made because of SEED-lings demand and bandai seeing this as the great opportunity to milking all the SEED-lings, and that's a logic reason why Seed Destiny was made IMO

Destiny itself shows that they had a fairly clear idea of what they were trying to achieve by the end - the weakness of the show being that they weren't as good at getting to that end as well as they wanted to.

I suppose that if you wanted to boil it down further, the creative staff really didn't have anything planned for the show before getting the green light, but that's almost certainly true of all Gundam shows. And if you really want to boil it down, all Gundam shows are made with the idea of milking more money from fans, so I don't see what the big deal is here.

Originally Posted by coba

Dude, the only consequence of breaking of that kind of treaty is either you have a cold war situation or you get a war outbreak right away (something which is kinda ironic considering how Lacus' preaching abour peace).

What is the reasoning for this? Plenty of countries break arms limitation treaty with little consequence.

Originally Posted by coba

What I am talking about is not whether you will get punished or not. Heck, you can steal/shoplift in the supermarket and you will not get punished as long as nobody knows. But it still doesn't make you escape the fact that you already sin

My point here wasn't so much about punishment - it was that the lack of punishment is indicative of how light the sin is considered to be.

Originally Posted by coba

It is clearly mentioned that the the Nairobi Peace Conference which basically "the peace negotiations that officially conclude the first war between Earth and the PLANTs" (Gundam official). . If it is only between Earth Federation and Plant, it will say Eart Federation - not earth.

"Earth" has been used as shorthand for the EA for both shows. For example, instead of referring to OMNI troops by name, they're simply called "Earth forces". And even Orb soldiers do this.

Originally Posted by coba

Dude, the Junius treaty clearly states that you are not suppose to use NJC in the MS .
It can't be clearer than that, no matter how you try to avoid this point. This steps is basically for the nuclear weapon disarmament. It is quite similar with the real world version where onbe of the mainsteps is to "create someday the conditions for a halt to the production of nuclear weapons, and treaty on general and complete disarmament that liquidates, in particular, nuclear weapons and their delivery vehicles from national arsenals" (wikipedia).

There's nothing at all clear in the wording:

"The Junius Treaty prohibits the use of N-Jammer Cancelers in mobile suits and military weapons, and all use of Mirage Colloid is banned outright. As a result, both sides are prohibited from developing or deploying mobile suits equipped with nuclear engines or Mirage Colloid stealth systems."

The bolded section could either refer to just the use in new weapons, or mandates the destruction of any existing ones as well. If it's the latter, there would normally be a separate stipulation to that effect.

Originally Posted by coba

p.s: This is the supporting argument on how the "good side" in GSD is not that different from other. Kira and co. preach about peace and now you have a "peace" treaty after the war and congratulation....they are the one who broke it right away. If they are really serious about preserving peace, they really ought to think about some other method instead of rebuilding the Freedom again.

You can blame Lacus and Cagalli for this one, but not Kira - he didn't really know about Freedom. A realist would have known that a lasting peace was impossible and prepare accordingly. It's an eminently sensible thing to do, and frankly, the arms limitation portion of the Junius Treaty was a silly concept from the get go. Out-of-universe, the only reason for having it was to have an excuse for Impulse's gimmick with the rechargeable battery.