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Originally Posted by Metaler
Exactly. This means that if the concept of magic in Umineko is influenced by belief, then so is the red truth. After all, it's a fantasy element introduced by Beato, a witch. So in order to trust the red, you would also have to accept at least part of the fantasy elements in the story. In other words, you would have to believe in magic in order to believe the red.
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Yea, this is the "final option" I was referring to previously:
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Originally Posted by vendredi
This has likely been mentioned already, but the anti-fantasy position sort of has a suicidal trump - since the idea this red, absolute truth is something that can only exist with the magic of witches and demons.
In essence if we are out to completely deny everything then we *could* discard the red truth as ultimately false - since it is derived from a source that doesn't exist. Consider it the "final option" for the die-hard anti-fantasist.
Of course, this then leaves us absolutely nothing - we cannot ever get to the bottom of the mystery; the alternative is to trust to Beato's sportsmanship regarding the rules. Well, except perhaps the TIPS. It's notable that they still do not update until Battler has seen the death with his own eyes.
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That about sums up our problem - if we completely disregard the red, then the Rokkenjima Mystery is forever a mystery; barring more revelations by 1998 ANGE - and even then, perhaps she is not a reliable narrator either. This is nevertheless a way to worm our way out of the red cage, but it's a pyrrhic victory, as it collapses back into the Devil's Proof scenario the rule was introduced to avoid.
This all really comes down to whether or not you trust Beato's sense of sportsmanship - that even without the authority of a witch or demon backing it, the statements she makes in red are the unvarnished truth.