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I apologise if some of my comments below are not really that thought out, I'm a bit tired today.

Spoiler for alternative theories:

Originally Posted by Saturn Beaver

However, now that I think about it again, it makes a bit of sense, I guess. After all, like you said Grevil is the one who rushed, and Victorique really doesn't have too much to go on than what Grevil has just informed her. I think Grevil doesn't really ask for advice, just checking that he doesn't miss anything (and boy did he missed it) by running it through a smart third party. In that case, Victorique just mentioned things that she felt is suspicious and Grevil has missed, and not bothering to mention things that Grevil also missed but ultimately doesn't matter that much anyway (disproving the other suspects).

Well, the thing is I think Grevil sort of thought about the case for all of a second, gave up and ran to Victorique afterwards >_> Another problem is that Grevil (being the actual detective here) should've been the one to point out all of these holes and try and engage in an actual discussion to try and see if this theory was sound. But he didn't, and that's the real problem here.

Originally Posted by witchfan

I'm flattered the theory I pulled out my ass steers up so much discussion. :P

First off, to clarify: I don't think my theory has flaws that make it illogical (like not being able to open a lock by shooting it). I think it has a lot of flaws, such as the ones you pointed, that take a lot of previous assumptions, and would be poor conclusions based on the evidence given. But I do believe it *works*.

Well, not to say that I didn't know that this had at least some sort of crack theory somewhere in it , but I don't like to just say ''the solution the story gave was stupid, I can give a different solution and it'll be the same as it'' and then leave it at that. It's best to always check before making judgments.

I don't think that your theory is illogical (it requires a higher suspension of disbelieve than Victorique's, but it could be valid) however I think that your theory is less plausible than the one she gave (i.e. the one she presented was the one most consistent with the evidence) while yours has some flaws (such as the second bullet) that make it less likely.

Originally Posted by witchfan

- As for the two bullets: first, since we're assuming the bullet would *not* pass through the lock, it could simply fall on the floor. Second, we're assuming this was a spontaneous (if clever) incident, rather than a well-planned one. The daughter hoped the servants would be too worried to note this, and won't bother looking at the floor once they see a corpse. I think the floor was also made of wood (or was it a carpet?) so there was no sound of metal when the bullet dropped. She could then remove the second bullet. If they did notice it, no harm done. The locked room is still there, right? It just means the maid won't be as suspicious.
(Also, if we're assuming the bullet *can* pass through the door, it will only pass in one narrow area. It should be easy to place her dead body - killed with a knife or somesuch to the eye - in that approximate location. We would then have to assume the body is pushed back a little by the gun, too, though. So this is a pretty piss poor solution).

If we assume that the bullet didn't pass through the hole then that means it should still be in the door lock right? But since we do know that if they investigated into the key hole, they wont find the bullet the maid had shot, then that brings us back to square one. Now if you say that the culprit (in this case the granddaughter) then she couldn't have done it without being noticed (and also, it becomes unlikely that she even thought of that if this plan was on the fly like you assume). There is also the blood splatter from the eye of the victim on the key hole that well be compatible with Victorique's solution.

Now if we do assume that the bullet passed, but like you said simply fell to the floor (in a stroke of luck) and she picked it up, we have the issue of her not being able to pick the bullet quickly due to the temperature of the bullet, and that the bullet wouldn't be intact much (it logically would shatter into several pieces in this case)

(Also, the wound is a bullet wound, knife wounds are different)

Originally Posted by witchfan

I'm virtually writing my own mystery here .

I noticed All I have to say about your theory about the granddaughter sending Grevil that invitation to remove him from the world is that would cause her more harm than good (she would be attracting attention again) however the one about her possibly ''rewarding'' him into joining this society is more plausible.

Originally Posted by witchfan

By the way, I'd like to say that it's your assumption that an outsider as culprit is impossible. Nothing about there being a single key was stated, as far as I remember. They gave us so few details we're assuming things to make it more plausible, that's how bad it is.

Having an outsider being the culprit though makes any other theory even more difficult to prove *_* I mean, they couldn't have known that the maid would shoot the door in the first place for example.

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

I dunno about you guys but the first 30 secs of the OP sounds like the OP of Gurren Lagann for me

Yeah, this was mentioned a couple of times. And yeah, the opening is very Gurren Lagann sounding funny because I can't imagine anything resembling this show to that one.

Spoiler for oh and future episode talk:

Originally Posted by Same_Shark

Yep! You're rght about that and honestly, the lack of Avril is the only thing that bothered me about the first episode.

Also, you all have to remember, the story of Gosick was not limited to Gosick, but the the GosickS series. All of the volumes of GosickS takes place before, after, or between the different volumes of Gosick.

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

The lack of Avril was a bit strange, but guess they will introduce her later. Was in the OP so not like they eliminated her or anything.
Isn't that how life always seems to work ? I'm sure many of the things she packed had useful properties to them. But in reality can't carry that much stuff. We'll see if he gets burned by his rash unpacking.

We sort of talked about this earlier in the thread, and thanks to the list that duckroll posted, we know that the reason they removed her from the events of the first novel was because the next events (starting at episode 4, the first novel is going to end at episode 3) will be the story of the drama CD (GosickS: The reaper comes in spring) and it's the story of when Kujo first meet Avril. I would like you guys though to keep these sort of things under spoiler tabs though, as courtesy for the non-novel readers.