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Originally Posted by karice67
Firstly, I had already read the English wiki page. Secondly, did you read what I posted?
The reason I regard it as an East/West divide is because I went to a convention in Australia last year where they still predominantly used the term 'yaoi' rather than 'BL'. Most of the people I know who are actually aware of the term 'BL' are Asian or of Asian descent, and the main term used on the June manga website is still 'yaoi'.
Did you read the English wiki page properly?
Spoiler for tl;dr:
Whether created by male or female authors, BL is, by definition, created for women/female audiences. There are guys who read BL works, but they are not the target audience. Titles about homosexuality that are created for men (usually gay men) fall under the genre known as bara, as the wiki clearly points out. And guess what? It's listed under media aimed at homosexual audiences on the Japanese wiki.
I also never said that all yuri was aimed at female audiences: note the word "most"?
Finally, remember what I said about how the terms used in the West are confusing? I have already said that some BL works are also aimed at josei audiences, but really, most of them aren't and appear in manga magazines that are specifically aimed at BL audiences. Granted, most people who buy these magazines are probably older teenagers/women, but it IS a separate genre from 'ladies comics' or 'josei manga'. And there are actually a few other features to keep in mind for 'ladies comics' / 'josei manga' - I never said 'fantasizing' could never be a feature, but titles published in these magazines do tend to be more 'realistic/mature'.
E.g. of a 'ladies comics' magazine = "Kiss", which Nodame Cantabile ran in.
E.g. of a 'BL' magazine = CRAFT, which Seven Days ran in.
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Basically, in terms of manga, yaoi/BL is predominantly aimed at female audiences (specifically, at fujoshi), and so is yuri, though a small proportion of yuri is aimed at male audiences. |
Yes, I did. But your previous post stated that
BL encompasses
Yaoi and
shōnen-ai, even though the latter is a Western convention which you said wasn't used by the Japanese. I'm also aware that
Yaoi is generally for females and never said otherwise (disliking the facts and denying them are separate), while you said that most
Yuri is for females and not shōnen or seinen, which contradicts the existence of
Yuri Hime S. And all I said about Josei was that it is merely a demographic; age and maturity are not mutually inclusive and I never said Josei manga did not have a tendency to be more mature. Finally, I find it intriguing that you bring up a personal experience for the East/West divide while having also criticized the anecdotes of others.
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Originally Posted by DonQuigleone
That said, a lot of Otaku Bait "harem" shows would have similiarly narrow appeal, however I'd say the male Otaku demographic is a much more proven spender then the fujioshi side.
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Interestingly enough, the
sales figures for harem/ecchi shows are actually not that impressive. The highest profits seem to go to shows where the sensuality isn't really all that high, but I still have a hunch that the anime industry is male-centric regardless. Although, the manga side doesn't appear as skewed...