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Old 2011-12-09, 11:29   Link #26129
haguruma
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Originally Posted by Cao Ni Ma View Post
But she really wanted to have a "brother" and she really wanted Jessica to have a "boyfriend", so she gave herself and Jessica what they wanted in the only way she could, trough her stories.
I think this is exactly what happened and why it is important to understand the duality in the characters problems to get an idea of Rokkenjima prime. Taking the final battle of EP8 as an example, the characters rebell against the attack of Erika (the people wanting the truth no matter what) because it would have taken something from them on a meta-fictional layer.
Like Black Battler said in Forgery No.xxx, the more stories are written about them, the more powerful and the more "true" they become. On this metafictional plane they do exist, but they are dependant on what people believe, because they're nothing else than that "belief".

For example Jessica battled against the notion that Kanon did not exist, because through him she was happy, she got a boyfriend and somebody to turn to. What does this tell us about the real Jessica of 1986? Probably that she was a pretty lonely girl, who's only bright spot she had was school...and at least she got help from "somebody named Kanon" on the school festival in order not to loose her reputation.

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Originally Posted by Wanderer
A description trick like this was precisely what Genius Battler used fool Erika, and I also think it can even explain how Erika could see both Kanon and Shannon even in EP5. Think about it this way: Take the picture element out of the parlor scene in question, and simply replace it with the words "Everyone on the island is in the parlor". Now, depending who you were, when you first were reading EP5 you may have interpreted that to mean 17 people or 18 people. Bern/Erika interpreted those words to mean 18, and thus 18 is what manifests on the game board.
Yes, this is exactly the kind of description trick for which a master detective needs meta-powers in order to solve them for us. There would be no need for any character to repeat to the other characters, that there were only 17 people in the parlour, because they were there.
In a novel a detective has to clear this up, though there is no necessity to do this to the other characters...he basically has to solve the meta-mystery for us, the reader, too. But Erika was too arrogant and to rash to understand that problem, she created the second part of the Queen Problem, creating and worsening the case by trying to force the gameboard under her command.
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