[Ashaman]

Originally Posted by dniv

In terms of Misaki/Rikou I was speculating for future volumes/ manga chapters... (I mean:

Spoiler for speculation for future Index New Testament:

if Rikou became a level 5, she would easily be stronger than every other level 5 with the possible exception of Accel

In terms of Misaki

Spoiler for future railgun manga chapters speculation:

Exterior makes her OP. If she uses it or has it for a while longer... she is OP. Even Misaka says her powers are more than a level 5 should be able to do...

In terms of Birdway...

Spoiler for late OT of Index and details on her power and some NT:

she still is the leader of one of the most powerful cabals. She helps save the world by stopping massive attacks beforehand. She is incredibly smart/knowledgeable as well... She, as part of Golden sun does massive large scale spells in tandem with the others members of the group. She doesn't need to do it by herself. She uses her charisma to convince other people to help her. She helps Touma from... She hasn't nearly revealed all of her powers as is mentioned in the fight with Touma. She didn't user her most powerful arcana that WERE new attacks... Her major attack spells were more effective anyway than Divine Punishment which has weaknesses (Kihara Amata)

I know what you mean about Touma. I understand that. I'm not saying this makes the top 4 weaker. I'm saying this should make Touma higher than he is... Considering everything we have seen about him... he will probably be there sometime.

Even if it doesn't claim to be a power relation chart (?), it was made to show the relative strength of characters. If it can't do that correctly, then what's the point of making one in the first place. Maybe they should change it from a 2-D pyramid to a 3-d pyramid. That would better account for the different possibilities (me trolling).

It is a power relation chart. But it isn't a who beats who chart. These things are not the same.

Spoiler for Touma:

You also seem to be under the misconception that Touma is in the top 4 - that isn't Touma, its the Invisible Thing.

Spoiler for Birdway:

As for Birdway, when your argument against me is to bring in her cabel when I'm talking about her individually, it loses credibility. Anything Birdway has done is or shown to be capable of is dwarfed by the scale and usefulness of Divine Punishment. And not only that, you start talking about all the times she saved the world and so on, and I'm asking myself "How and When?" And then you start bringing in possibilities in her Major Arcana spells, but we have no clue what they are.

Spoiler for Rikou:

When I say Rikou is stronger than any level 5, this means she can use any of their abilities/ give herself any of their powers/ take away any of their powers.... She would be stronger than every other esper in academy city by herself. She would be a multi-skill/ dual-skill. How is that not completely broken? She would nearly be the most powerful character.... How is that non-combat oriented??????... She would easily be stronger than any other esper..........

Spoiler for Rikou:

Putting aside the fact that you are spouting possibilities again, cause at the end of the day Rikou is a Level 4 at the moment, you are also wrong in what you think Level 5 Rikou is capable of. When Hamazura was speculating, it was all in the "She could do this to others" No mention of what she could do to herself. And then there is the common sense of her actually messing her her own Personal Reality and the massive fuck up that could result if she makes a mistake and loses her AIM Stalker powers in exchange for Level 5 Pyro or something stupid.

And nearly the most powerful? She would be Rensa Level, even with all the powers that she, guess what, doesn't even have.

Which is why she's support. Because to date, the only combat role she has displayed are support, apart from her brief offscreen bout against Kakine in Vol.15.