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I would guess in prime that there was a murder mystery game, it would have been immediately evident that everyone was really alive. That part can go off without a hitch, reunite Battler and Yasu and everything else can still fall apart quite easily given the scenario.
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In a way the searching game used in Ep 8 manga version and all the tricks used during it, really seem to suggest more an innocent game being played than multiple murders taking place.
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Beato ep 8 is somewhat unreliable by the mere fact she is saying she wrote ep 3 and 4 (as examples of losing, examples of Battler not remembering). This may have just been a ploy to indicate the motivation behind the message bottles in general, but it is also somewhat false.
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Well, theoretically it could be true if one of the following cases is true:
- Yasu is Ikuko
- the games 3&4 weren't written by Tohya, he managed to get his hands on 2 extra message bottles and never let people know he'd found them, then he used them as a basis to write his tales.
- the names and certain common themes are coincidental
- the Beato talking is just Tohya/Battler fantasy/muse/immaginary friend/ sparring partner while reading/writing mysteries. Although she represent Yasu she's not Yasu so she could 'do' things Yasu couldn't do
- in Prime Yasu actually showed/explained to Battler some of the games she wrote and somehow they remained stuck within him so Tohya unconsciously used their elements in his books... without realizing they aren't his ideas but memories of his past life.
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I have two questions that are merely opinion gaugers:
With ep 7 being the last ep as far as the public is concerned (assumedly the last one Tohya had involvement in), does that mean that ep 8 was possibly sent directly to Ange?
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It's an interesting theory. Tohya might have refused to meet Ange then he might have regretted it and send her a tale just for her.
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Or more likely just her internal thoughts
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Generally I think Ep 8 is a giant simbological representation of the inner battle going on in Ange but that's just me.
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If Ryu had gone ahead as planned, making ep 3 worse than ep 2 (he said by using multiple accomplices, so a likely ep 4 scenario, with some of the mysteries from 5 and 6 somehow sprinkled in), do you think it would have taken people longer to guess kinzo was dead? Before it was explicitly stated that magic scenes that were not observed did not happen, Kinzo coming into the family conference ep 4 style could have been hard to deal with.
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We'll never know. Sometimes you might think something is hard to guess but you end up unconsciously giving hints that help others to guess even faster than if you'd spelled out the solution for them.
Without knowing his plans is impossible to judge and even if we did as we already know the solution... it would be a little harder to judge. We would need someone who doesn't know the solution to 'test things for us'.
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Also, thought of the day:
Considering all of the things that Yasu was torn about, apparently dating her cousins was not one of them?
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Many manga series depict as okay for cousins in Japan to get married so maybe that's true and that's not a problem for her. The problem might come from the fact they aren't just her cousins, she's also their aunt/uncle and if I'm not wrong this is definitely forbidden in Japan.
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More on the cousin point:
It could even be that while Yasu IS the baby from the cliff, the baby from the cliff is NOT the child of Beatrice II. It could be that Kinzo created another "Beatrice" by throwing some random orphan into another trap of a life. Though from his perspective, the move of giving some random orphan to Natsuhi and worshiping the ground Lion walks on don't make much sense.
Guess Yasu just wasn't that put off by it.
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LOL, maybe Beatrice was pregnant when she fell and he believed the random orphan is the reincarnation of Beatrice's baby.
With Kinzo one can never tell. ^_-