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Kafriel · 2015-07-28, 22:34

Alright, after a few more hours at this, it turns out you can accurately find all the traitors in your team by expending vision points to tap into their memories. Once you reach F2 for the first time, Sho's gift awakens and you get a log of the voices he hears every time you come back from a mission.

The in-game excuse is that a traitor might not even remember their role, but as you fight on they pick up bits and pieces of their original character, hence the change of alignment halfway through a floor. Of course, once you get past a floor, you get new traitors right away.

EDIT: It's a bit more complicated than I thought, you can hear up to 3 voices at a time, but only one of them is the traitor - using deep vision lets you mark the suspect, so you have to gather all suspects first, then 3x DV to find the traitor...and then regulate their voting power to get rid of the one you want. Exception: 4F has two traitors, also if you DV a suspect and let them live, you'll have to count them as a +1 voice to the regular 3.

Raising intimacy unlocks special one-time character quests that give character data logs and an extra gift point. You can't evolve fate materia, so try and unlock all three aspects of a traitor's gift before erasing them.

EDIT #2: Since the game doesn't explain much concerning gifts, in order to unlock an aspect, you must have trained at least one of the skills around it. If you unlock ALL of the skills around a single aspect, you unlock that aspect as an ability. Easiest one to get is Zenji's, which makes him THE most powerful character once you get it (finished the 3F boss on round 2). How did that happen? Link is a status that connects two characters; the caster assimilates the linked character's highest stats (and cranks them up even more) and when one of them heals, so does the other. Through upgrades, they can share buffs too! Now, imagine what it's like having all six characters linked for a single round :P

EDIT #3: Fate doors open on the second playthrough, they cannot be accessed the first time you play. They include bits and pieces from the story which you can't know the first time around by the point you reach them.

EDIT #4:
Made it to game clear and I deeply regret not using all of my VP despite knowing who the traitor was at the 4th floor. Pay close attention, as 4F is the final judgement, so you won't be able to use VP from that point on. You get to keep all your VP to NG+ though, so keep that in mind. Oh, NG+ offers new missions and a whopping 20 Gift xp for everyone! Take care not to upgrade skills too much, otherwise their GP costs will skyrocket.

EDIT #5: Each game clear offers an extra 20 GP per playthrough; got 40 GP on my second clear. Genius. Time to finally get the good ending on this!!!

EDIT #6: In order to get the true final boss, you must max out your bonds with everyone and erase all traitors. I'm not sure if you can erase only innocents; I tried it on my 3rd playthrough by only erasing safe characters, but eventually I still had a character by my side for the final battle...I think this is done purely for mechanical reasons, even by abusing daydream to the maximum, it took 20 recovery packs to kill all traitors + The End. It's a good thing the traitors don't keep their gift passives...

Tips:

Spoiler for How to find the traitor in each floor:

Spoiler for Changing the judgement outcome:

Character impressions

Best characters to kill: Nagi and Marco. Nagi's Zero gravity makes George's sword 100% accurate (VERY important since he has the lowest DEX) and uncounterable (just as important). Marco's final skill has 999 power but also costs 999 GP. At LV40 with 2 GP boost+++ apps, he still can't reach that much. Mana can use it, however, via hyperdrive (GP cost 0 -> go berserk next round). Same goes for a linked Zenji.

Most important characters for S-rank missions: Yoko, Sho and Zenji. Sho learns daydream, which lets your entire team play an extra round and skip the enemy phase. Zenji can copy that and Yoko can reduce its SAN cost (as well as all SAN costs in a 5' radius). At max LV, Sho and Zenji can both use daydream twice, effectively giving your team 5 rounds on turn #1. Yoko also has the invaluable brain hacker skill, which raises ALL stats on everyone, including CRIT and MOV, making it the perfect opener for every mission.

Most difficult characters to use: Soujiro, because he has no strong points in offense and his defense still pales compared to Marco. Also Toya, because his gift tree is just as hard to use and his GP/SAN costs are quite high compared to the damage/control they offer. Basically, in the first playthrough, these characters will definitely be your worst.

How to play Soujiro: invest in the rejuvenation tree just for revive, spend everything else on adaptation and side-effects. A maxed out over heal supposedly has 200 power (210 with LV10 injection) and deals a little less damage than a LV5 corrosion, which also lowers VIT, provokes assists and may inflict a random status ailment (which over heal does not).

How to play Toya: For a CC character, just max his EMP wave. Free stuns all over the map will make your life easier, even if that's all he can do. For some proper damage:control, electrospark's thunderbolt/high voltage/lightning rod will provide with what you need.

Highest dmg characters: George takes the cake. Infinity blade deals 4,000 dmg upwards, final slice over 5k...and helm breaker, which he can use as a counterattack, ignores VIT, also dealing 4k+ dmg...by the time you can use it. Marco is more approachable, with "Stab them!" being the most cost-efficient skill in the game (while also having a range of 8 AND high crit), and "stay back!" is the strongest non-materia psychic attack. While Nagi also has psychic attacks from her gravitron tree, her PSY is rather low, making assassin's blade and silent slash her best moves. Mana is also efficient in dealing damage, though using her alone is risky. She is best used with desperate stance (STR up/VIT down), assisting other characters' attacks while benefitting from Sho's fortune skill.

Best AoE dmg characters: Himeno, Yoko with pyrokinesis, Mana with combustion....basically anyone with Himeno's fate materia

Best tank: Marco. This kid can take a beating! With proper materia, he can nullify all damage and taunt everyone to focus him. You just have to beware of going berserk, as even attacks that deal no damage drain SAN. Second place goes to Agito, he can blink and switch positions to avoid attacks, as well as teleport enemies and allies anywhere on the map...and his normal attacks provide strong counters.

Most special character: Zenji. Brutality is as easy to unlock as Resonance. It sends damage back to the attacker, but it also applies to heal (heal is just flagged damage, remember FF7 overflow?) and buffs (in which case he buffs up whoever cast it in the first place, so Yoko can buff Zenji, his link and herself with a single inspiration). He is built as a pure support and should be played as such; his contribution to the team is definitely much higher than Soujiro's, who imo better fits the role of a controller. He can also become a guaranteed damage dealer, under certain conditions; linking Mana, who can boost her max HP, getting 2 HP+++ and using inflict pain

If you can heal and defer him, he can top any single enemy except The End.

Spoiler for Good ending:

So, time for an additional assessment of the game!

- Plot: Very intriguing, with some solid twists and an extra ending (or two?).
- Characters: while most of them simply fit a cookie-cutter personality, there are a few that show originality. My favorite designs are Nagi (you know why) and Marco (because his model is very reminiscent of Hito-shura from Nocturne). Favorite gifts are Yoko's (charm ftw) and Agito's, because it's very convenient. Favorite character is....The End! Take that Sho, you never thought I'd betray you

Without spoiling much, his story is legit and he made a hell of a boss fight.
- Music: haven't heard a single track not fitting the situation or any score that wasn't pleasing to hear.
- Gameplay: it's the reason why I'll be replaying this game at least two more times, not much else to say. My sole gripe here is the fact that the enemy designs are very limited and not so life-like.
- Replayability: it is there, a full game should span 3 playthroughs if my intuition is correct...and you can always keep stacking clear data just to see how much you can steamroll your opponents.
- Graphics: could be better, but they're still more than enough for me.

Nearly final score: I'll keep my 9.5/10 from before, feels just about right.

EDIT #5: Final score: 10/10. If this game doesn't have what a game needs, I don't know which one does.

2015-07-28, 22:34	Link #7
Kafriel Senior Guest Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Athens (GMT+2) Age: 35	Alright, after a few more hours at this, it turns out you can accurately find all the traitors in your team by expending vision points to tap into their memories. Once you reach F2 for the first time, Sho's gift awakens and you get a log of the voices he hears every time you come back from a mission. The in-game excuse is that a traitor might not even remember their role, but as you fight on they pick up bits and pieces of their original character, hence the change of alignment halfway through a floor. Of course, once you get past a floor, you get new traitors right away. EDIT: It's a bit more complicated than I thought, you can hear up to 3 voices at a time, but only one of them is the traitor - using deep vision lets you mark the suspect, so you have to gather all suspects first, then 3x DV to find the traitor...and then regulate their voting power to get rid of the one you want. Exception: 4F has two traitors, also if you DV a suspect and let them live, you'll have to count them as a +1 voice to the regular 3. Raising intimacy unlocks special one-time character quests that give character data logs and an extra gift point. You can't evolve fate materia, so try and unlock all three aspects of a traitor's gift before erasing them. EDIT #2: Since the game doesn't explain much concerning gifts, in order to unlock an aspect, you must have trained at least one of the skills around it. If you unlock ALL of the skills around a single aspect, you unlock that aspect as an ability. Easiest one to get is Zenji's, which makes him THE most powerful character once you get it (finished the 3F boss on round 2). How did that happen? Link is a status that connects two characters; the caster assimilates the linked character's highest stats (and cranks them up even more) and when one of them heals, so does the other. Through upgrades, they can share buffs too! Now, imagine what it's like having all six characters linked for a single round :P EDIT #3: Fate doors open on the second playthrough, they cannot be accessed the first time you play. They include bits and pieces from the story which you can't know the first time around by the point you reach them. EDIT #4: Made it to game clear and I deeply regret not using all of my VP despite knowing who the traitor was at the 4th floor. Pay close attention, as 4F is the final judgement, so you won't be able to use VP from that point on. You get to keep all your VP to NG+ though, so keep that in mind. Oh, NG+ offers new missions and a whopping 20 Gift xp for everyone! Take care not to upgrade skills too much, otherwise their GP costs will skyrocket. EDIT #5: Each game clear offers an extra 20 GP per playthrough; got 40 GP on my second clear. Genius. Time to finally get the good ending on this!!! EDIT #6: In order to get the true final boss, you must max out your bonds with everyone and erase all traitors. I'm not sure if you can erase only innocents; I tried it on my 3rd playthrough by only erasing safe characters, but eventually I still had a character by my side for the final battle...I think this is done purely for mechanical reasons, even by abusing daydream to the maximum, it took 20 recovery packs to kill all traitors + The End. It's a good thing the traitors don't keep their gift passives... Tips: Spoiler for How to find the traitor in each floor: Finding the traitor: Play with a team until you hear either 3 voices or 0. In a team with 0 voices, none of them is a traitor. In a team with 3 voices, everyone excluded from that team is safe. Once you have 3 voices in, play a few more games, substituting ONE character per mission with someone you know is safe. If the voice number stays at 3, the character you switched out is also safe. You can then proceed to use two safe characters and switch out a different member of the 3-voice team. By process of elimination, you will have 3 suspects. Use up to 2 VP to see if you can find the traitor among them; if you don't, the one you didn't deep dive into is 100% the traitor. If the voice number drops to 2, the person you switched out is a suspect. Using 2 as a new point of reference, switch out another one (always with someone safe). If the voice count drops to 1, you have another suspect. If not, the character you switched is safe. The easiest floors to find the traitor are 1F and 2F, because you can still make a team with 0 traitors easily. The hardest floor is by far 3F, because you'll almost always have a voice in your party. For 4F you should just go for a 3 voice party, it's much easier that way. Spoiler for Changing the judgement outcome: After every fight, you will have two events. In one event, someone points out another character and asks whether they are the traitor or not. In the second event, they directly ask for your opinion. If you don't know who the traitor is, don't answer in any case. The traitor's cohorts can become aware of your suspicions, and if you're off to battle without them, they will sway everyone on the team in order to eliminate a safe member. If you know that the person asking you is safe and you know who the traitor is, by all means help them and point out the traitor. If you play your cards right, everyone will catch wind of the situation. Character impressions Best characters to kill: Nagi and Marco. Nagi's Zero gravity makes George's sword 100% accurate (VERY important since he has the lowest DEX) and uncounterable (just as important). Marco's final skill has 999 power but also costs 999 GP. At LV40 with 2 GP boost+++ apps, he still can't reach that much. Mana can use it, however, via hyperdrive (GP cost 0 -> go berserk next round). Same goes for a linked Zenji. Most important characters for S-rank missions: Yoko, Sho and Zenji. Sho learns daydream, which lets your entire team play an extra round and skip the enemy phase. Zenji can copy that and Yoko can reduce its SAN cost (as well as all SAN costs in a 5' radius). At max LV, Sho and Zenji can both use daydream twice, effectively giving your team 5 rounds on turn #1. Yoko also has the invaluable brain hacker skill, which raises ALL stats on everyone, including CRIT and MOV, making it the perfect opener for every mission. Most difficult characters to use: Soujiro, because he has no strong points in offense and his defense still pales compared to Marco. Also Toya, because his gift tree is just as hard to use and his GP/SAN costs are quite high compared to the damage/control they offer. Basically, in the first playthrough, these characters will definitely be your worst. How to play Soujiro: invest in the rejuvenation tree just for revive, spend everything else on adaptation and side-effects. A maxed out over heal supposedly has 200 power (210 with LV10 injection) and deals a little less damage than a LV5 corrosion, which also lowers VIT, provokes assists and may inflict a random status ailment (which over heal does not). How to play Toya: For a CC character, just max his EMP wave. Free stuns all over the map will make your life easier, even if that's all he can do. For some proper damage:control, electrospark's thunderbolt/high voltage/lightning rod will provide with what you need. Highest dmg characters: George takes the cake. Infinity blade deals 4,000 dmg upwards, final slice over 5k...and helm breaker, which he can use as a counterattack, ignores VIT, also dealing 4k+ dmg...by the time you can use it. Marco is more approachable, with "Stab them!" being the most cost-efficient skill in the game (while also having a range of 8 AND high crit), and "stay back!" is the strongest non-materia psychic attack. While Nagi also has psychic attacks from her gravitron tree, her PSY is rather low, making assassin's blade and silent slash her best moves. Mana is also efficient in dealing damage, though using her alone is risky. She is best used with desperate stance (STR up/VIT down), assisting other characters' attacks while benefitting from Sho's fortune skill. Best AoE dmg characters: Himeno, Yoko with pyrokinesis, Mana with combustion....basically anyone with Himeno's fate materia Best tank: Marco. This kid can take a beating! With proper materia, he can nullify all damage and taunt everyone to focus him. You just have to beware of going berserk, as even attacks that deal no damage drain SAN. Second place goes to Agito, he can blink and switch positions to avoid attacks, as well as teleport enemies and allies anywhere on the map...and his normal attacks provide strong counters. Most special character: Zenji. Brutality is as easy to unlock as Resonance. It sends damage back to the attacker, but it also applies to heal (heal is just flagged damage, remember FF7 overflow?) and buffs (in which case he buffs up whoever cast it in the first place, so Yoko can buff Zenji, his link and herself with a single inspiration). He is built as a pure support and should be played as such; his contribution to the team is definitely much higher than Soujiro's, who imo better fits the role of a controller. He can also become a guaranteed damage dealer, under certain conditions; linking Mana, who can boost her max HP, getting 2 HP+++ and using inflict pain If you can heal and defer him, he can top any single enemy except The End. Spoiler for Good ending: In order to unlock the good ending, you must max out your friendship level with EVERYONE. Think twice before killing them, even if they are traitors. So, time for an additional assessment of the game! - Plot: Very intriguing, with some solid twists and an extra ending (or two?). - Characters: while most of them simply fit a cookie-cutter personality, there are a few that show originality. My favorite designs are Nagi (you know why) and Marco (because his model is very reminiscent of Hito-shura from Nocturne). Favorite gifts are Yoko's (charm ftw) and Agito's, because it's very convenient. Favorite character is....The End! Take that Sho, you never thought I'd betray you Without spoiling much, his story is legit and he made a hell of a boss fight. - Music: haven't heard a single track not fitting the situation or any score that wasn't pleasing to hear. - Gameplay: it's the reason why I'll be replaying this game at least two more times, not much else to say. My sole gripe here is the fact that the enemy designs are very limited and not so life-like. - Replayability: it is there, a full game should span 3 playthroughs if my intuition is correct...and you can always keep stacking clear data just to see how much you can steamroll your opponents. - Graphics: could be better, but they're still more than enough for me. Nearly final score: I'll keep my 9.5/10 from before, feels just about right. EDIT #5: Final score: 10/10. If this game doesn't have what a game needs, I don't know which one does. Last edited by Kafriel; 2015-08-23 at 09:26.