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Originally Posted by Tactics

Re's episode preview is showing Lelouch flashback.

Right, but Lelouch was talking about how his past was shaping his descision and actions. That really has nothing to do with anything I believe.

Originally Posted by Tactics

And C.C. clothes during that scene ( seeing Suzaku and Lelouch as child ) is a clothes that only shown as the series progress, especially in World of C event.

As a side note, C.C. won't get those clothes without getting captured, as shown by Kallen as she's being captured after China Arc.

I think this pic speaks for itself...

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In the World of C event she is wearing the darker black/purple color version of the clothes she is captured in. As you can see that isn't what she is wearing in the first episode. She is wearing (close to ) the same color, but you can plainly see one of those waist sash belt things (don't know the name) and a sunflower on the side. Nowhere else (that I remember) is she wearing that.

In in the World of C event she also is wearing a sort of black knight unifrom, which again is nowhere near what she is wearing in ep 1.

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Originally Posted by Tactics

What i meant is ...

Nunnally clearly lose the FLEIJA Launcher when the Damocles is trembling.
She's trying as hard as she can to find the Launcher.

Why she's shocked as her head is moving to where the Launcher is located ?
Why she's holding the Launcher when she met Lelouch.

Draw your own conclusion

Ahh. Yea I never meant to say she didn't regain it. It's obvious that she got it back there. I get what you're saying now and I'm not saying she didn't "get it back" then/ My whole thing is more so about precisely when she got it back. Under my theory she just realized it then, but technically had it back for a little before hand. She just didn't know it because of what I was saying before.

Originally Posted by azul120

Lelouch could just set the record straight very easily. Schneizel was able to fool the Black Knights with the help of that gullible idiot Ohgi and his dubious floozy, Villetta, while Lelouch was out. It also helped that neither Xing-ke nor Kaguya of the UFN were there, as they would have called BS on Schneizel, so the UFN is a non-example.

It's as I mentioned. Lelouch could easily explain himself. Kaguya, for one, still trusted that he would do the right thing until he declared war on the UFN in Turn 22. Not to mention that many of the BKs themselves were anything but saints, as they proved with the betrayal, which they did behind the UFN's backs.

Easily? How? Schneizel has a recording of Lelouch saying he used Geass. He'd have to play a huge PR campaign as Zero, when the Black Knights have forsaken him. Don't you think that that would be a huge hurt? He was the CEO/Leader of them, and they shunned him.

His only option would be to use Geass on Xing-Ke and Kaguya and other UFN members to win them over to his cause and declare the OotBK rebels. But then who will able to bring them to "justice"? Don't forget that to join the UFN countries had to disband their armies.

Kaguya may have trusted him some, but she was still being cautious as she didn't know what was going and what to expect. She also did buy into the Geass thing as evidenced by the fact that she took precautions so that no one could be Geassed by him.

As for the BK not being saints... while that is true, where is the betrayal you're talking about? Do you mean joining forces with Schneizel? How does that betray the UFN? They were still a "private company" and if they wanted to go try to kill Lelouch it's not like that was going against something the UFN said. Nor were they keen on attacking Lelouch's flagship because there were representatives from the UFN on it.. Schneizel was the one pushing for that, and he made them obey his commands to prevent him from doing that.

Or do you mean them turning on Lelouch was the betrayal? 99.9% of the members of it didn't know Lelouch was Zero and thought Zero died in battle. They were just dutiful soldiers following orders. Ohgi and the higher ups were the ones who "betrayed" him, but they had a valid reason to as he was being secretive and they didn't know if their actions were their own or not. Granted if they were Geassed they shouldn't have been able to think about betraying him, so that is proof they weren't... if they were thinking. But for the bulk of the order they knew nothing.

Originally Posted by azul120

Now that's where Zero Requiem is a utopian load of bollocks. Human nature does not exist in a vacuum. People will find other reasons to fight against one another.

While I will agree with that to an extent, that wasn't the biggest point of Zero Requiem. Zero Requiem was done to bring peace to the countries and stop all the wars that were between countries. That doesn't mean there wont be rebels still or things like that. But wars between countries should be stopped. They saw how bad it could be/get, and don't want to go back to that.

Originally Posted by azul120

Also, and this is important, when Suzaku asks him whether there are other methods for taking care of Schneizel and achieving peace, he confirms that there are. The atonement through death simply doesn't make sense because of everything he's doing to get there, from brainwashing mooks, putting masks on them and treating them as cannon fodder. He also assassinated many rebelling families, who C. C. noted had a right to object to him taking their status away. All of this was far worse than what Lelouch was supposedly atoning for.

The death thing still makes sense with everything he did to get there. That was also part of what he was trying to atone for. Using the people as cannon fodder, the assassinations (which tbh I don't remember, but I know he demoted a lot... and I know Schneizel used FLEIJA on the capitol with everyone still there... but whatever), etc. That was part of what he was atoning for. He wanted to create a sea of blood so that the "Massacre Princess" event would be forgotten or viewed as nothing. By giving peace to the world he makes it so they didn't die in vain.

There were other methods, but maybe they weren't as effective or took longer. Or maybe he chose the death one because of what he thought about Nunnally being dead and stuff. By the time he learned she was alive he was already committed so had to complete it. He couldn't change things, he was already walking down the path of blood and he couldn't suddenly go "oh, I'm actually a nice guy" and try to start a new path.

I bet a lot of the other paths may have involved staying Zero and turning the OotBK into villains are you were saying above. But he went and (publically on world wide tv) admitted to killing his father and then proceded to Geass a ton of people... those who knew about the possibility of Geass (Kaguya, Xing-Ke, etc) now had proof it was true. What else could explain the sudden change. No, he HAD to stay on the path. He couldn't change now.