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Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Funny how you use that as an example of how chunnibiyou brings Rikka happiness, when that smile was a result of Rikka meeting the class average in math and saving her club as a result of Yuuta and her combined efforts.

Funny how you raise this point while paying little respect to what Yuuta used as the main motivating factor (when all else failed) to successfully motivate Rikka to study enough to pass that Math test.

He used a direct appeal to her chuunibyou tendencies. Later on, we see him come through on what he had promised Rikka in return for her successfully saving the club via Math test performance. Then Rikka smiled again, in a smile that was probably even more euphoric than the avatar image I put up

In other words, this was Rikka being happy about a real accomplishment.

That's not all she was happy about. She was also happy about the anticipation of Yuuta making good on what he had promised her. And what he had promised her relates directly to her chuunibyou.

There's a difference between being natural and being rationally correct. Humans are naturally capable of many things that may not be morally proper to do.

And what's "morally improper" about engaging in some degree of compartmentalization in one's life? Is it "morally improper" to have some elements of yourself that you keep private from friends? Does good morality require us to share everything with our friends?

My real world analogy is perfectly fine.

And how many people do not move on from a significant loss? Your rhetorical question is not valid when there are plenty who are not living happily after a traumatic event.

My question was valid. You don't need universality to demonstrate what tends to be the case. Of course there are exceptions, but few courses of actions in life have guaranteed, 100% success rates.

As circular as this sounds, the key to having a good support structure is that it actually does... you know, support, as the name states.

Every little bit of happiness you seem to attribute to Rikka's chuunibiyou, especially the bit where she was happy after the test, you don't seem to recognize that part where Yuuta made an effort to keep her in check and ground her in reality.

Yuuta wasn't involved in every little bit of happiness that was connected to Rikka's chuunibyou. Some of that happiness was tied more to Dekomori.

Yuuta deserves a lot of credit, to be sure, but I honestly think you're starting to overstate it now.

The above mentioned avatar was when she passed a test on a subject she was the least proficient in. Even, if you could argue that it was not so much about her efforts paying off as it is about the rewards, even the rewards are more realistic than finding the Horizon or defeating some fantasy villian. Rikka gets to change and exchange contact info with the boy she is most interested in.

And why is she interested in that boy?

She gets to save her club that she made.

And why did she make that club? And what was the club for?

Then there's officially entering a relationship with the guy she loves.

And why does she love that guy?

These are all realistic consequences that made Rikka happy,

And like it or not, they all are inextricably tired to chuunibyou. Chuunibyou may not account for everything happy in these three, but it is a integral element in each.

Rikka likely would never have even noticed Yuuta if not for his "Dark Flame Master" acting out.

and yet you seem to believe that letting her have her way with her chuuni fantasies like a child playing with a sharp object he thinks is a toy instead of stopping him is the way to happiness.

If you're seriously concerned about people using potentially dangerous objects as toys, the first person you should talk to is Touka, frankly.

The club is fine. Playing fantasy on her own free time is fine. Even pretending that it was your magic powers that opened the train doors is fine.
However, playing around and dropping flour for visual effect when the teacher only allowed you to have a club when the room was cleaned is not fine. Drawing pictures and fantasizing when you're supposed to be doing algebra problems to save your own club is not fine.

Sure. I'm not saying that some moderation shouldn't be practiced here. In fact, supporting moderation is a big part of the reason why I've taking the position I have on this thread. Rikka has gone from one extreme to the other (and this is not the first post I've wrote these exact words in). And what I've said (and continue to say) is that a more moderate path than either extreme is the best path to take.

There are clearly times where Yuuta should not just play along. When it comes to meeting Rikka's mother who is not nearly as harsh as Touka or their grandfather, I don't see why it's wrong for Yuuta to make Rikka stop playing around, even just for those moments.

Just for those moments, sure.

Here's one problem, though - We don't know exactly what Yuuta shouted at Rikka. And I think that's partly why this debate we're in has a touch of confusion to it. Given the extreme Rikka has gone to since that event, I'm inclined to think that Yuuta shouted something much stronger than "Rikka, you have to start acting normal more often! Especially around your family!"

But then again, we don't know exactly what he shouted. Perhaps you think he didn't say anything terribly harsh. As for me, I don't know, but I do know that Rikka's reaction to it has been dramatic, and pretty extreme. It doesn't seem to me like Yuuta gave Rikka any leeway for even occasional embracing of chuunibyou.

What I find ridiculous is how you're so sensitive to an analogy...

I'm "sensitive" to the analogy because I know alcoholics in real life, and those people have far more severe problems than Rikka does. And there is no physiological component to what Rikka is going through. Rikka is not destroying important internal organs through her chuunibyou, and nor is she puking her guts out and enduring physically torturous withdrawal symptoms because she's gone cold turkey on chuunibyou.

Comparing Rikka's condition to something that drastically effects the body itself (such as alcoholism or heroine addiction) is simply absurd. It is an highly improper analogy. The only thing ridiculous is people actually insisting on such a horrible analogy.

What's hard to support is the fact that despite saying you support a "rehabilitated format", you don't really show much support for rehabilitating measures.

Well, such measures are obvious. Yes, Rikka needs to stop thinking that the Unseen Horizon is a real place that you can actually reach somehow. She needs to accept that her father is dead. And she needs to learn that specific sorts of chuunibyou activities crosses the line (as you pointed out). She needs to learn to distinguish between situations where acting chuunibyou is find, and other situations where it's not (as I pointed out long before on this thread).

All I advocate is that Rikka needs to stop trying to find her father in the Unseen Horizon, and that Yuuta should stop her if she does. If she wants to have fantasy battles with Dekomori in the clubroom, that's fine. If she wants to run off to find the Horizon or her old home that's located miles away and leave behind her other friends, Yuuta needs to stop her, not play along.

Then we're in complete agreement here.

Rikka can have her chuunibiyou in the right place at the right time. Going back to where Rikka would play around making a mess of the club room or the swimming pool they were ordered to clean is not the right place or the right time.

Why do you place all the blame for the mess at the swimming pool on Rikka? The Shinka/Dekomori squabbles were arguably the main reason that became such a mess. Rikka shouldn't bear responsibility for that.

Yuuta told Rikka to stop in order for her to face her mother.

Actually, like I wrote before, we don't know what Yuuta shouted at Rikka. Are people now starting to see why I didn't like how the anime played this?

You keep using real world examples that have entirely different contexts from Rikka's situation.

I didn't bring up LARPers. Random32 did. I merely responded to what he brought up. If you don't like that real world analogy then bring it up with him.

Rikka has a problem with her "off switch". This has been established.

It's also been a core part of my argument this entire thread.

I've always felt that Rikka needed an "off switch". I felt that way even before this show turned dramatic.