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Originally Posted by night_sentinel
I guess the burden of evidence on how depends on how Toyone's ability work though:
Way 1 works if Toyone's pursuit riichii alters the tiles that the one who declared riichi first gets. This meant that if you declare riichi, Toyone will get a tenpai and activate pursuit riichi. The moment Toyone uses her ability, the tile you will get is her winning tile.
Way 2 works if the tiles to be drawn is set and Toyone's pursuit ability allows her to get into tenpai for the tiles that are set to be drawn by the one who declares riichi first.
So its more like a chicken and egg question.
Does Toyone's pursuit ability change the tile drawn by who called riichi first so it will be her winning tile?
Or does Toyone's pursuit ability give her a hand that is tenpai for the the tile drawn by the one who called riichi first?
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Well, that's basically a question for Saki abilities in general. Logically, one would assume that the tile order in the wall should be set at the start of the game and that it would be impossible to change that, i.e. such that (for example, for Kasumi's ability to draw one suit) all of the souzu are set every 4th tile so Kasumi can draw them; but then this would mean that abilities like that could be invalidated by disrupting the draw order. However, none of the abilities like Yuu's, Kuro's, Kasumi's which are based on drawing lots of a certain set of tiles have shown yet that they can be influenced/disrupted by calls, etc. Basically, they seem to be able to keep on drawing all the doras/warm tiles/single suit tiles etc.
regardless of who changes the drawing order. Which is just crazy.
But if we accept that this is happening, accordingly, like you said there are essentially two possible explanations for it. One is that the tile order is not set at all, so that within the wall the position of none of the tiles is certain and that when it is necessary (due to some players ability, or etc.) that one type of tile comes up (i.e. Toyone's winning pursuit riichi tile) the ability then shifts the order of the tiles around so the needed player gets it. Alternatively, the other explanation is that the tile order
is completely set beforehand, even taking into account all of the calls/changes to the drawing order which will be made, by all of the abilities, so that for the abilities to succeed it is practically like all of them have the ability to unconsciously control/predict the future.
Either way it's kinda too crazy to think about. It's basically like quantum physics or something.
