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Originally Posted by chronotrig

Actually, Beatrice only completed her closed room definition at the beginning of episode 3. In episode 2, she did define several of the individual parts of a closed room, but she only used the red on a room by room basis, and some of her closed room rules don't apply to all of the supposedly closed rooms.

Spoiler for episode 3 closed rooms:

At the beginning of Beato's and Battler's fight in episode 3, she creates 'Beatrice's closed room definition', which covers almost everything imaginable.
Now, not only is it completely impossible for someone to enter the room from the outside when it is locked by any means without a key, but it is also impossible for them to interfere with the inside of the room from the outside by any means, including radio waves (or anything like it), the phone line, and obvious things like sticking a fish line through the door and strangling people (well, Battler thought that one was obvious anyways).

Battler does make Beato admit that a knock on the door or someone's voice could reach inside the room, forcing her to say that it isn't impossible for information to travel between the inside and the outside of the room, but she eliminates that as the cause of death.

But the really annoying part in episode 3 is Battler's and Beato's battle over the first twilight.
Because they spend about 5 minutes talking about this definition of a closed room, and Beato never says any place is a closed room in red. In fact, it's Virgilia that gives Battler a lot of his info, and he never questions anything she says.

Just for the record, here is a list of all the red text that effects these closed rooms, at least from ep3.

There are less than 19 people on this Rokkenjima.
This might not actually count, you can find some theories on it earlier in the forum.
There are only 5 master keys, one for each servant.
Same as the last game.
Furthermore, all of the doors and windows in the 6 rooms are normal. No device exists which can lock them without a key, such as an auto-lock.
This line by itself isn't really important unless you already have a closed room.
6 people: Kinzo, Genji, Shannon, Kanon, and Shannon are dead!
This is the first time we've heard that any one of the 18 has died in red other than Jessica and Kanon.
There is no one hiding in the six rooms!
Only the victims are inside the rooms, and no other people exist inside the rooms.
The 6 people died instantly!
'Instantly' just means that they couldn't do anything after they were attacked and before they died.
The 6 people were not killed by a trap.
None of the 6 people committed suicide!

And since there's no guarantee that the red from ep2 still applies in ep3, if there was a secret passage in any one of these rooms, or even an unlocked door (e.g. boiler room), this isn't a closed room murder at all.

Oh, and in addition, here is a list of the rooms where secret passages were denied in red.
Jessica's room, the servants room, Natsuhi's room, hey, that's all, actually...
If you read between the lines for the chapel, she only says that the six parents didn't go through a secret passage, not that one doesn't exist.
And in the parlor, she only says that
1. the only key other than the master key is locked in the servants room and
2. therefore, it is impossible to unlock the room without a master key.

Of course, if there was a secret passage, you probably wouldn't need one of the normal keys to unlock it.

I am sorry if this question appeared already but can you explain the recite in red beatrice did:6 people: Kinzo, Genji, Shannon, Kanon, and Shannon are dead!
Whats the meaning of this?Neither did she list 6 people in summarize nor was it clear since Shannon was titled twice.Explain it to me please=).
However i agree that Beatrice is tricking Battler alot with the red text, which she more likely invented to make him life harder than easier, since she can do any tricky wordorder to make him believe something, which though might literally be correct but from battlers interpretation might poison him in because of a different meaning.