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Originally Posted by Intranetusa

Spoiler for Ichigo is stronger than kenpachi, Noi is stronger than Grim:

Ummm, what? Ichigo is superior to Kenpachi. Ichigo defeated Kenpachi on their very first fight without even using bankai. (during the rescue Rukia arc)

It doesn't matter who had the advantage in the beginning or if Kenpachi was just messing around at first. What matters is Kenpachi took off his eyepatch, went all out, and still lost to Ichigo, who didn't even have bankai.

Noi is superior because he is #5, as opposed to Grim who is #6. #5s are suppose to be stronger than #6. Ichigo barely defeated Grim's release, Ulqiorra easily defeated Ichigo without release...so it's safe to say that Noi is stronger than Ichigo or at the very minimum, equal to Ichigo + bankai & hollow mask.

Spoiler for manga:

back then Ichigo definitely wasn't superior to Kenpachi he was just lucky Kenpachi didn't want to use his other hand(=full power) + the mask protected him.. I don't get why this causes so much confusion in fact Ichigo needs a bankai and his mask to level up to Kenpachi's current/real level and the reason Ichigo managed to pull a draw is thanks to Kenpachi's miscalculation/principles/his unawareness of magically appearing hollow masks

Ichigo clearly defeated Grimmjaw, not barely.. he didn't struggle like he did against Kenpachi or Byakuya, there was no near-death-moment at all, basically he just took a beating and it was nowhere near as serious/lethal as Kenpachi's experience with Noitorra. Imagine Orihime gave her speech a little earlier.. it would have been even more disastrous for Grim and a even more painful kick in the nuts to all the Grim fans(the huge dissapointment in the bleach community is proof enough that Ichigo did win clearly, maybe too clearly considering the hype and all the drama beforehand but ok)