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Old 2012-01-28, 21:22   Link #27360
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Originally Posted by jjblue1 View Post
So you agree that Battler was subjected to mind torture like Erika, although his type of mind torture was different and that he was victim of deception?
Battler was deceived, but it is arguable whether Beatrice was the one actually trying to deceive him (she was also constrained by rules imposed upon her, remember) and to what extent he was deceiving himself.

You're also incapable of grasping the moral difference between Beatrice doing something uncomfortable for Battler and for herself for a reason she believed to be important and every single other Meta-Character doing something cruel and arbitrary to Erika for no reason whatsoever. It is not possible for this Erika theory, as stated, to be anything else but arbitrary torture. Beatrice did not expose Battler to something uncomfortable for no reason; quite the opposite, she had a reason which she believed made it necessary to do something that Battler would find uncomfortable, in order to rouse his anger against apparent moral wrongs.

That isn't to necessarily say it was the right thing to do, but it may have been the only thing that Beatrice could have done given the restrictions put on her by Bern and Lambda. By ep5 and ep6, however, Battler and Beatrice are in some sort of position to now participate in this higher-order restriction imposition, or at least to comment on it to Erika, and per this theory it is evident that they never actually do. One can conclude nothing less than that Erika is being lied to, that these lies will cause her suffering, and that they at best do not care.

Can you see that this is the natural consequence of a situation in which we accept that Erika is unable to rely on the information gathering methods she has been told that she has? Because we know for a fact how everyone acted around her and we know that nobody told her she was being lied to for no good reason. That either means nobody cared (or worse, were being actively malicious), or there was not actually a disconnect there to comment upon. Which is more likely?
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