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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

The point is that he didn't die because somebody saved him. That "somebody" just happened to be his future self, that's all.

Look, Mikuru isn't even born yet, so how could she be serving Kyon tea? Because she is SUPPOSE to be serving Kyon tea, so her adult self sent her younger self to Kyon's time.

If Kyon died then no one would have saved him. But he didn't, so he was saved. The only problem was that Kyon did not immediately perform the rescue mission after the fact, but instead delayed it until later. This causes problems, because if he end up dying for ANY other reason before he could perform his own rescue mission, then he wouldn't just die; he would rip a hole in space-time by creating a paradox.

The logic just isn't coming through at all. I don't really understand how you can make sense of this timeloop.

When I'm reading fiction. I can accept anything, as long as it's internally consistent with itself. Person can travel back and forward in time because they have a time machine is perfectly acceptable to me. It's just like watching back to the future.

Mikuru not being born during Kyon's time period, and being capable of serving Kyon tea aren't mutually exclusive things to me. It's fine if mikuru sends her younger version back in time (to Kyon's period of time) to help him out. Personally I've no idea where this 'SUPPOSED' to aspect is coming from.

SUPPOSED to would be suggesting this. Is this what you are saying?

Beginning point:
Someone observed Mikuru serving tea. Therefore she must now travel back in time to serve Kyon tea.

Beginning point is not:
Mikuru first decided that she needed to go back in time to help Kyon out, therefore went back in time and served tea, and was therefore observed, then repeat pattern for eternity to keep stable timeline.

So moving back to the discussion about Kyon.
Assuming the whole cause/effect of timetravel. Past actions will affect future paths...

Kyon is born -> Kyon is stabbed -> Kyon is going to die.

Then the weird time thing happens...

Kyon (future) comes along and saves himself. This is possible because... [You're explanation here is most appreciated]...

Is the explanation just: Kyon somehow exists in the future, he observed and was observed saving his past self. Therefore it is true that he saved himself. Closed loop.

I can accept that if the way the haruhi world works is that things work backwards. i.e. Kyon exists in the future say 2000AD, and is essentially creating his background (how he was born etc) to keep things consistent. But this whole idea of being observed doing such an action, means that they need to repeat it again isn't consistent with such idea.

What is it?

That's not what happened. So it is irreverent. What happened was that Kyon was saved by himself in a pre-determined event. It's like borrowing money to pay a debt; you didn't "make" money, you just borrowed it, and you have to pay it back later. Kyon was never meant to die at any stage of the film, because Adult Mikuru knew the rescue was going to happen.

It's a pre-determined event that isn't technically possible from the way me and gamer understand it.

Just because adult Mikaru knew that Kyon wasn't going to die (because she knows he lives) doesn't mean that Kyon coming to save himself is possible.

The borrowing money analogy doesn't get the concept through. I'm afraid you'll have to explain it in another way.