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Old 2012-01-05, 21:13   Link #507
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Originally Posted by Randrak42 View Post
A weak version barely stood up to Orochimaru? Dude, Orochimaru was in perfect condition and summoned two other Hokage, each considered quite powerful and what about him? He was a 70 year old man who probably hadn't fought since Minato got the Hokage job, if not sooner. My grandpa is around that age, he takes long walks every day and yet feels tired just walking for a bit, imagine fighting 3 powerful guys.
He didn't beat Orochimaru but still managed to take away his arms...after using Shadow clone twice, meaning his energy was even cut by 2/3 after a while of fighting.
And don't underestimate Orochimaru...people have tended to underestimate Orochimaru because he was beaten by Sasuke...but don't forget he was bed-ridden by then and even then Sasuke didn't kill him, only Itachi's Susanoo managed to finally take him out.
a perfectly healthy orochimaru was no match for itachi back when they both were in akatsuki. thats why he had to prey on a little kid (sasuke). was he a genius and strong? yes. was he stronger than itachi? not by a long shot. its not like orochimaru battled very long vs susano'o. he was such a push over that itachi just ignored him and sealed him almost instantly

Orochimaru couldn't use his arms and was weakened yet he still held out against both Jiraya (though drugged) and Tsunade...
as you're elduing to, that battle means nothing. tsunade is not much of a fighter. all she could do vs pain was protect people. nothing offensive. and both jiraiya and orochimaru were injured in some way that canceled out. also you're ignoring kabuto's assistance

What about the 1st and the 2nd Hokage, also in the fight? One managed to beat Madara and the other was considered the best water user ever.
Also...Ninjas don't need bloodline limits to be powerful.
they were being controlled by orochimaru who hadn't perfected ET. yamato does more with mokuton than hashirama did in that fight. by your logic you should place kabuto on top given his much much much more impressive ET which i actually agree with
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