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Originally Posted by GundamFan0083

Which only proves one thing.
It isn't the guns that are the problem.
It's the conditions the people are living under that lead to crime and thus increased potential for violence and murder.

If you want to argue that the conditions people are living under in the US lead to crime, violence and murder, I'm not going to contradict you. But adding guns to the situation increases the risk of grave injury and death. It takes alot to kill someone with your bare hands. It's just the squeeze of a finger with a gun.

Just because YOU prefer it, doesn't make it right.
Nor does it make you any safer.

I can only say that in Europe I _am_ safer. The numbers are clear. I see no reason to jeopardize that.

If you don't know what Fabian Socialism is, or their influence on Europe then I question your knowledge of world politics as a whole.

A little bit less pompous, please. Fabian Socialism is a non-factor in European politics.

Here is a good example of Fabian influence, by the Fabians themselves.
I fail to see how this is proganda since it's simply a fact that many persons of high postion in the EU are members of the Fabian Society.

Like which? Which frontline politician claims to be part or affiliated with the Fabian Society? If you follow the link to your event, it's full of nobodies.

I can positively assuage your fears: Not even debating what the Fabian Society stands for, they're about as influential here as the Rosicrucians are in the US.

Communist?
See that tells me you don't even know what Fabianism is.
Beatrice and Sidney Webb, and George Bernard Shaw created Fabian Socialism as a viable alternative to Marx and Engles "Scientific-Socialism."
They didn't like each other, but both wanted to create planned societies.
Marx was off in his la-la-land of a command economy while the Fabians were looking at how to create an actual working socialist model.
I hate to have to defend the Fabians, but compared to Marx they are vastly more desirable.

They are utterly IRRELEVANT. You make it sound as if they had any influence or were about to set some sinister plot in motion. Except for being a fringe group within the UK labour party (which I mentioned before), they play no role whatsoever in the UK, and with the awesome power of the UK when it comes to shaping continental Europe, they definitely wield no power whatsoever.

It's called NATO.
The US supplied most of the military might for Europe for much of the Cold War, and we're still doing it today.
Which is essentially military welfare to Europe, but hey...we'll just print more money to pay for it...our people are fat enough, they can starve a little bit to defend Europe for few more years.

Then by all means don't let NATO keep you from treating your poor humanely. Time to scale back (I actually do mean that)

You appear to be erroneously working off the assumption that I'm of the right-wing.
That shows me you have no idea just how far right the American right-wing is, since I'm considered a "lefty" by most people I know that are right-wingers.

With the list of positions you made, I fully believe that - I'd rather see you on the libertarian side instead of the evangelical reactionaries. But your irrational hatred of what you call "socialism" (which has little to nothing in common with what socialism really is, by the way) is exactly the propaganda strawman I was talking about before: You believe to have understood something about the political system(s) in Europe which isn't really true. And if you're seriously equating Stalin's atrocities with European social democracies, then you're off the cliff *shrug*