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Originally Posted by prototype_sky

I not saying what she did was unforgivable but unlawful.

ya arguments getting crossed... got a little confused since you were replying to someone who was replying to Ceazar's comment that Kallen did "Unforgivable" things

Originally Posted by Ceazar Vi Brittania

But that's not what I meant, You see I personally hate her ever since she abandoned LL at stage 25, and the way she is towards britannia in general. A bit hypocrite, she is one day best friends with nunally and gino and then she is a bitch to suzaku and homicide genius, it's very "selective" in her hate to britannia.

So it's wrong to say "not all britanians are evil"?
What Kallen is doing is not hypocritical, as she has never claimed that ALL Britanians are evil, must be destroyed and so forth.

Just because they are britanians does not mean that Kallen must be blind to their better qualities and able to except that they are not evil. Nunnally has never done anything to deserve anyone's hatred and has actually been the one of the most supportive people for the japanese (hell she did all she could to make sure kallen was well treated)... Gino, while he may be one of the knights of the round when he met with kallen he was actually looking out for her best interests (while suzaku was threatning to drug her, and the homicidal maniac was threatening to kill her; not to mention though she kind of likes him, she's still more than willing to take him down on the battlefield. Hating them based on nothing more than the fact that they are "britanian" would be the equal of nina's hate for the japanese. That kind of thinking would be down right racist...

Well, If they have a bit a memory, Kirihara saw zero's true identity and told them to trust in them, he was at the time, a very japanese idol to the terrorists and there was Ougi, kallen, tamaki and other important OBK present at the time.

Then you have Urabe who was a "holy sword", after finding zero was a student and a britannian (prince wasn't so clear at the time) student, he was all like "who cares", without Zero we are reduced to recycle garbage. Kallen was most likely aware of the fact that he was a prince and she also said she didn't trust "the likes of him", but she was willing to follow zero even if he was who he is.

Sure not EVERYONE would abandon zero, but most will... Do you think the rest of the world "the non-japanese" cares what the kyoto-group thinks? even the japanese may question the groups judgement... many may not even know the specifics of the meeting, just that it resulted in getting the group's support... Kallen was friends with Lelouche for a while and knew him a bit more personally and that is something that would easily sway her to stay by his side

Urabe if i recall did not know he was a prince... He is willing to believe that a youth could be a great leader since zero has proven himself as such, and he also acknowledges that not all britanian's are the same and that there are those that would acknowledge that what britania was doing was wrong... when it comes down to it, a Britanian student has nothing to selfishly gain from fighting a war against britania (atleast nothing more than any other person fighting them); a Britanian prince on the other hand can easily be seen as someone who just wants the throne for himself... Zero did not trust him with this secret, so why should they trust his motives and reasons

He destroyed a unarmed facility full of researchers experimenting on immortal soldiers "Is the official statement". So you are saying they can destroy the babel tower to make an escape killing civilians along the way (at least no OBK knew that they've been already killed ), but it's a sacrilege to kill Britannian unarmed people . Yeah that makes sense, specially to a former terrorist group.

The truth behind the "offical statement" will be in question now that Zero is being exposed as a man who keeps secrets and lies to his own people; not to mention that fact that they did not find any "immortal soldiers"... and the question will be raised if it was necessary to kill all of them as opposed to capture; the nature of the facility and what needed to be done will be in great question. Without knowledge of the geass, the attack looks like it was a senseless slaughter (especially when you consider the fact that children were among the slaughter)... really, we already have seen that many of zero's soldiers were not happy with that battle and many like todou would share such feelings

While Todou and others are willing to stay by zero's side because of how far he has gotten them, their opinions do not take into account to the degree of zero's actions. They do not know of his connection to the emperor, his slaughter of the researchers, the reason he abandoned them in the first season sacrificing the whole rebellion, the list just goes on... they can not deny that he is a strategic genius, but all this will tell them that he is not the kind of leader they want... with the success of the battle in japan that will trigger revolts and rebellions around the world, some may BELIEVE that they don't need Zero as much as they once did now that they have military strength that rivals Britania... they may see that zero got them where they are, but they can no longer be sure of his motives; what's the point of a revolution if it gives you king that's as bad as the last one... as one soldier said "what makes us any different than the britanians"