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Originally Posted by Haak

She didn't know it was already a done deal. She didn't know the rest of politicians were conspiring against her and behind her back. Notice when Yuna welcomes Cagalli to Orb again and hints to his father how they've already planned to turn hostile to Minerva.

The only reason that could even happened was because she was not at Orb at the time. But it still doesn't matter because she was still made aware of the council's intention before they formally joined the EA.

It would be even harder to keep the NJC/nuclear weapons a secret from Cagalli if it involves Kira/Lacus.

No it isn't, but my point still stands.

Your point doesn't stand because Cagalli accepting the need for Orb to have mobile suits doesn't mean that she would accept the use of nuclear weapons.

Because EA didn't believe there would be any consequences, not because he didn't care about the consequences.

If they didn't think there would be any consequences from ZAFT, who has the NJC technology, why would they think there would be any consequences with Orb?

The only reason they could do it to the PLANT was because of a plot hole and the fact that they acted quickly, within the same say. However several days had passed whilst Orb were debating whether to from a treaty with the EA. At that point it's clearly too different situations.

The Battle of Boaz happened 3 days before the second Battle of Jachin Due.

So, again, your argument is not supported by the show.

Just because it managed to stop an attack once, doesn't mean it's invincible.

It's a weapon, so it doesn't have to be invincible. It just has to be effective.

But no, let's jump straight ahead to a completely new gigantic and untested weapon that's going to spend loads of time to build. Makes perfect sense.

It makes perfect Gundam sense.

And I already made a very clear point that just because Orb couldn't deter EA once does not automatically mean Orb can never deter the EA thereafter. It does not logically follow. There are other factors, and you yourself agreed that other factors change things..

Sure, but that's my point from the beginning: There is NO indication that Orb had gained anything in the 2 years after SEED that would deter the EA.

So what factors would change things? You can't just say, oh, the EA didn't get anything last time, so now they won't want to attack. That's just wishful thinking. What does Orb actually have now that they could deter an attack when they could not 2 years ago?

And how is that relevant to whether or not Orb was acting out of character or not, when Orb isn't going to know about that credence until later?

It's relevant by showing to us, the audience, that the EA in Destiny is the same as the EA in SEED.

Thus, by knowing about the EA from SEED, it is enough for Orb to reach the same conclusion: That Orb would be risking an attack if they don't cooperate.

And with that conclusion, it is not out of character for a Seiran-led Orb to decide to join rather than fight the EA.

Conclusive evidence, but not for them. It's pretty obvious from their conversation they don't need it.

It's for the masses. For everyone else.

Of course, we're talking about ZAFT here.