[Sol Falling]

Originally Posted by Tenchi Hou Take

I do not see the need for the load of text. The successors actually said they wanted things to remain as they with the student council, they wanted those happy days to continue, which no matter how you sugar coat it is the status quo. They don't want things to be different they want things to remain as they were within the student council. Zen and Medaka don't want this and there's nothing wrong with that.

Yes, the successors said that, and they had been in the story for how long exactly? The "happy days" which they were talking about had been established for mere hours before they fell apart with the introduction of the conflict between Medaka and Zenkichi. Saying that Kikaijima wants to protect the "status quo" is inaccurate to the point of meaninglessness and does nothing to describe her actual motivations.

Originally Posted by evil|plushie

If they wanted everyone to share in the victory, maybe they should have stopped medaka from basically kicking zen in the back in chapter 117?116? and tried to make peace then instead of waiting till now. Instead, they were like 'oh, it's ok. It's only Medaka and Zen again. They have this weird special relationship where one particular side loses out often'. That's not teamwork, that's just tyranny of the masses. It's also why people say Zen has sacrificed himself for Medaka. Who has benefited more from everything in the last 100+ chapters? What has Medaka gained and what has Zen gained? I look down on Kikaijima's idea of friendship cause it's shallow and basically you're just asking one side to suck up everything for the sake of maintaining your precious peace.

If you would remember, Kikaijima did try to stop the fight between Medaka and Zenkichi from the very beginning, and was opposed to it from the start. The Naked Apron alliance was created basically immediately in the aftermath of Zen and Medaka's battle.

As for your question of "what did Medaka gain and what did Zen gain" over the past 100 chapters though, do enlighten me as to what you could possibly be thinking. The ideal of "friendship" as Kikaijima or Medaka presented it is not about peace, it's about unity for the sake of a greater goal--because that greater goal is more important than their individual gain, or circumstances. Wasn't part of the core of Ajimu's arguments towards Zen that Medaka never needed any of that "loyalty" or "protection" Zenkichi was primarily giving her? Hardly ever in the past have I seen Zenkichi focused on the actual goal of "helping everybody", or "making everybody happy" as part of the greater mission of the Student Council. The idea that Medaka "gained" more from their past relationship than Zenkichi did is simply laughable. A real picture of the situation would be that Medaka misunderstood Zenkichi, and Zenkichi misunderstood Medaka, so that in the end neither of them really gained anything from the other.

Plus Kikaijima's taking kumagawa in the group. Seriously, does she not know what type of person he is? Does she think he really really believes in the concept of 'friendship'? EPIC FAIL

If Kumagawa is the sort of person who can never become the main character, then isn't it actually extremely fitting that he chose to support the group which is against the concept of a main character in the first place? As demonstrated during the Treasure Hunt orientation, a team-based environment is actually one of the only contexts in which Kumagawa can take part in a greater victory, and such a set-up in fact makes him extremely happy. There is no reason at all currently to doubt Kumagawa's sincerity towards the greater goals of the Naked Apron Alliance. Your villainization of him makes no sense--by this point Kumagawa is clearly meant to be seen as a sympathetic character.