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Old 2006-02-11, 19:38   Link #54
Mr. Guy
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Originally Posted by MrProphet
It's more like... the complete and utter lack of common sense. Noone who possesses common sense would go out unprotected and leave your only fight-worthy comrade behide when they KNOW that they can't defent themselves and they KNOW that they are going into enemy territory.
What are you referring to here? Going after Rider? When he first went into the forest he had no idea that he was being attacked by a Servant, nor was he aware it was enemy territory. It took Rin to remind him of his feeling when he entered school for him to understand it.

As for why he didn't bring Saber... two reasons. If you're referring to him not bringing her to school, he was of the belief that since the school was a busy, active place that he wouldn't get attacked by a Master. This is a valid belief as demonstrated by Lancer's immense urge to kill the witness to his fight with Archer.

As for why he didn't call her during the Rider fight... again, he would have been killed on the spot. Listen to what Rider says. When she realizes he isn't going to call Saber she says that she'll change her tactics and get him to repent for his insult to her. Then there's the fact that if you call Saber at this point in game, you get killed, IIRC

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Originally Posted by MrProphet
Here we have a girl in ARMOR(sic!) and with a SWORD(sic!) and an absolutely defenseless guy rushing to protect a complete stranger for no good reason. He must have a deathwish, seeing how to would risk his life and serve absolutely no purpose in the end (judging by the fact that Shiro survived, Saber would have survived as well due to her armor).
First off, Shirou was not aware that he'd survive. He simply reacted to the situation at hand in which he felt it his chivalric duty to protect the little blond girl that was about to get clobbered with a spiked club. There wasn't time to think about what the consequences would be. And I'd say that dying for a cute girl isn't entirely worthless. With Shirou out of the way Rin has Saber all to herself

And about Saber being able to survive... that isn't necessarily true. The reason she's sleeping and eating all the time is because she isn't getting much mana from Shirou. So she doesn't have any super human regeneration (well, she does, but not like Shirou's). According to the anime's "explanation" so far, Shirou recovers because of Saber. Not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by MrProphet
It's like Shiro has incredible hubris - going out there defenseless just to try his luck. And like any hubris, it has to be punished sooner or later just to follow its logic to the end.
It's hardly hubris in the traditional sense. Shirou doesn't have any confidence in his abilities, just the want and need to protect as many people as he can. Sure, thinking that he can protect everyone can be looked at as prideful, it isn't in Shirou's case.

Though I can see where you're coming from. Shirou's relatively simple minded attitude can be a bit trying, but I've learned to cope and like it. It's nice to see someone that refuses to quit and has such optimistic view on people. Even if it's a childish belief
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