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Originally Posted by amoirsp

I like the perspective you see this. However,

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I feel like your "natural choice Satsuki" seems to favor Isara in terms of explanation, as opposed to Satsuki. Actually, given your Hazuki pointer, I'd go as far as saying it favors Hazuki in that regard (as Hazuki is "all purpose" helping out on nearly everything but chocolate).

Even Satsuki has a slightly forced mechanism. Forcing the kiss information out of Yuuki. Or even that line where she literally talked about forcing a kiss on Yuuki. Basically when the conversation is about the election or "can you help resolve this situation about my sister", Yuuki is all ears, but he wasn't quite all ears on context of kissing or something more private.

Then I thought about character allocation. Satsuki has among the most, while Isara has among the least. But then I thought about it some more:

Satsuki's encounters were part necessary for either election progress, or the fact that that's literally the only way to encounter her privately. If you don't have all those Satsuki scenes, Yuuki basically doesn't encounter her at all.

Isara's non-encounters on the other hand can be attributed to being a different year as well as being a financial aid student. When you have a factory work contrast AND a club joining contrast in opposite fashion, it makes sense that you are not going to see this character in general.

Being in Satsuki's living quarters (given certain events) made some sense.
Being in Isara's living quarters make no sense unless like, they're hanging out a lot or dating, which they didn't.

Lol just like the Satsuki analogy of showing a different direction election-wise, there's even an appearance analogy.

Yes I'm fully aware that the anime could very easily, and most likely will simply not do much specifics on Isara if at all.

Yeah despite all the positive proof for certain characters, I will still vie for that 0% chance of Isara as end girl.

It also has to do with two simple patterns. We've already had sequences of episodes that featured specific girls for 0.5 - 2 episodes. The other pattern is that if there's an Isara "issue" to resolve, it'd be bullying, which is an end goal, and only Yuuki is in favor of that for the most part.

But yeah, everyone sees a big trend of "oh hey come to think of it, a lot of events that are going on in Koichoco don't actually have to do anything with Yuuki specifically". Yes Yuuki is involved or learned about it, but isn't the direct source of the problem nor the solution.
Like even if he wins the election, it might be himself that brings that extra kick to get over the hump, but for the most part it's his supporting cast that generated the momentum and possibility.


On a random episode 10 joke, I like how Satsuki referred to Yuuki as Oojima (kouhou?) when she came to the club room.

I'm looking at the current turn of events/routes as "route/scenario" resolution. A "base" or a "core problem resolution" that's also "independent of the election". It's occurred or is occurring for every girl but Isara (well I guess bullying is a "problem" so "election results" should "solve" it. Even if Yuuki wants it dealt with now, the strategy is to deal with it after. Either way, they're probably dealing with it eventually somehow).


So yeah I'm still picking Isara. Even if I'm being ... delusional

Surely Isara and Satsuki share some points, they are both outsiders; they, more or less, never forced themselves into him and both worked as a "mean" to let Oojima grow up opening his eyes on what's there beyond the club. They both, having no connections with the club, are free from Chisato's legacy that let them be themselves instead of being subjected to it. I ruled her out simply because between them Satsuki has been proactive, Isara instead has been more passive in how the dynamics evolved through the series. And Isara seems to be the representation of scholarship issues, meant to enlighten Oojima, more than anything else. So she has a role, even if not the one you had preferred , that belong more to the election plot. (As Chisato's role seems to belong to the Chocolate plot; I hardly can fit Satsuki's role in one or another sub plot, even for that reason I had been expecting her fulfilling the love role at the end). Counting even how many non-encounters they had, namely having no screen time, I ruled her out.

I agree that Oojima never crossed any "romantic" line toward Satsuki, in fact I said how unclear his preference is yet and on that I have to praise the writers since usually at this point of a show the outcome had been already been cleared out in one direction or the other. Here, even if a general feeling toward Chisato has been being in the air from day one, at least for me, they are still keep things uncertain. I still have hopes for Satsuki But it's time to make it clearer.

Originally Posted by BladeEntity

I'm not too sure, majority of what Yuuki I believe is actually out of his own choices, IIRC Satsuki convinced with to fight for what he believed in but it didn't involve giving with the will to run for the election, instead he tried to comvince his club to make Chisato run, in the end they picked him through voting. True he was forced into running by the club but I feel that it is just for the plots sake that he run.

Well they talked like normal people do giving him a new perspective about elections. And the fact that he later on tried to make Chisato run means that Satsuki didn't convince him (that could be seen as a subtle way to "force" him) to run, but simply counseling him about that. A natural exchange of opinions.

Originally Posted by BladeEntity

In terms of the Chisato, the chocolate thing is definitely a ritual but the morning routine is just that its a routine.

Yep, but what I meant is that since she has a precedent, the chocolate ritual, you can't really say if some other routine act is to be intended simply as a routine or like something more significant and related to her issue. At least you can't see it with the same eyes than before. Better were to take it more carefully than your normal routine. What I mean is that the ritual should make oojima acts more carefully in everything concerning Chisato, willingly or unwillingly.

Originally Posted by BladeEntity

Another thing about Satsuki not forcing him into anything she did ask what he would do if she did force herself on to him, and I'm sure she would have done it had see not been intterupted. IMO she does not act as a counterpoint, especially when the two sisters can use Yuuki as a prize disregarding his feelings all together if that is not forcing, things like being forced to stay in her room during the camp due to circumstances, are similar to events happening can't really be counted though, even though if she wanted there probably was a way for him to leave the building.

Beware that I never addressed Chisato or Hazuki or even Mifuyu romantic actions as "forced" actions, since those actions are all related to the love sub plot. So even Satsuki "forcing" herself into him wouldn't have been something meaningful in that regard. I intentionally omitted every interaction that was intended to involve romance. Talking about Oojima staying in Satsuki vip room for the night, well I can't see it as forced, if not by the circumstances, not by her.
The only moment I can see her forcing him has been when Satsuki made him half spilling the beans about the kiss, but that was again in romance context where everything is permitted. And it was not forcing him doing something instead of something else in relation of what he want to do. Anyways Satsuki is not perfect (even if so far she has been depicted like that).

Originally Posted by BladeEntity

Mouri even before deciding to help Yuuki win the election told him that he already had his own agenda as pointed put by Chisato and the only reason he was helping was because it was mutually beneficial for them, in other words he is not as forced as you perceive IMO.

I used and use the word "force" or "forcing" for sake of brevity, it is meant to be used in opposition to a more natural flow of events, like the one involving Satsuki and Oojima and the elections talk. It is not intended like others people pointed a gun at Oojima forehead.


Anyways, I was thinking how the central point of the club is sweets and only sweets. Accidentally Chisato has an issue with chocolate, a kind of sweet. All the club members seem to be aware of Chisato's hidden issue. And from day one many of us were a bit confused by the club purpose. What if ...